How to load Jensen JT-44K-DX MC Step-up (the manual says 6K81 + 200p), without loading the cartridge sees 470 Ohms,if I want to change for example the cartridge sees 100 ohms I have to tuning loading the secondaries with 12.700 ohms = 12K7. The question is what loading have I to use? I guess the Jensen manual is to damp the self resonance of the cartrige and cartrdige sees 25 ohms? Or I have to no follows the Jesen manual and loading only with the 12K7 resistor in place of 6K81 + 200p?
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Who knows how to calculate the series RC termination across the secondary for a desired cartrige loading?
I read in Vinyl Asylum "Jensen says that for a 40-ohm cartridge the termination should be 6.04k-ohms in series with 130-pF" http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/vinyl/messages/69/695238.html
I read in Vinyl Asylum "Jensen says that for a 40-ohm cartridge the termination should be 6.04k-ohms in series with 130-pF" http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/vinyl/messages/69/695238.html
There is no simple way to calculate the series RC damping networks for
microphone input transformers. Please refer to adjustment procedure from Jensen
microphone input transformers. Please refer to adjustment procedure from Jensen
I am assuming that from the 470 ohm load to the cart it is a 1 to 10 step up into a 47k phono stage resistor. I have played a lot with loading on step up transformers but not with a cap to make it a official zobel network.
Right now I am running a resistor in front and a 1 mil in the rear. Got the idea from another forum. Now if you can not change the one on the phono pre this will not work.
If you are going to parallel the rear just try as many combos to see what sounds the best for your cart. My demon 103r is at 68 ohms. Denon 103 at 150 ohms. Grado low output at 470 ohms.
There are people who like front load others rear and a few who like front/rear. Not many who thought the zobel did much good sound wise. So back to the reality of your system and cart, try different values and listen.
Enjoy the ride Tom
Right now I am running a resistor in front and a 1 mil in the rear. Got the idea from another forum. Now if you can not change the one on the phono pre this will not work.
If you are going to parallel the rear just try as many combos to see what sounds the best for your cart. My demon 103r is at 68 ohms. Denon 103 at 150 ohms. Grado low output at 470 ohms.
There are people who like front load others rear and a few who like front/rear. Not many who thought the zobel did much good sound wise. So back to the reality of your system and cart, try different values and listen.
Enjoy the ride Tom
It should be done experimentally. I describe the procedure in the His Master's Noise article. I believe it's also described on Sowter's page about their 8055 transformer.
Thank you SY.
How to calculate the input impedance of a phono preamp?
I guess the values for Zobel and load for Sowter 8055 1:10 will be the same for other 1:10 MC step-up?
What happens if the cartridge have a output resistance of more than 10 ohms?
How to calculate the input impedance of a phono preamp?
I guess the values for Zobel and load for Sowter 8055 1:10 will be the same for other 1:10 MC step-up?
What happens if the cartridge have a output resistance of more than 10 ohms?
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In order: no, and change the source impedance of the test signal to match the cartridge.
So I have to load the primary with the DC resistance of the cart and feed a 1kHz square wave signal of 0.4mV if it's the same DC output of my cart. Manufaturer data-sheet says "Proper loading provided by standard 47 kΩ phono input" so I have to put the Zobel between the tx and a 47K load resistor and see what happens with the square wave, the next question is how to know if I have to increase or decrease resistor & capacitor value to tame the ringing?
Jensen text:
"Thanks for contacting Jensen Transformers.
There is no simple way to calculate the series RC damping networks for
microphone input transformers. Interwinding capacitance is not important,
it is distributed capacitance within the windings that matters, and this is
not an easily measurable quantity. Also, the transformer needs to be damped
with all of the circuit stray capacitances and loads in place around the
transformer. This is especially true with tube circuit designs where the
"miller" capacitance of the first stage may be VERY significant. The
simplest way to determine the proper damping network for a microphone input
transformer is experimentally. The method is actually quite simple and
fast once that you have done it a couple of times and have gotten together
the proper kit of tools to make it easy.
SETUP:
1) Drive the microphone input with a squarewave generator that has a
source impedance of 150 Ohms. This value is approximately in the middle of
the range of source impedances common to most microphones. If you have a
special situation where the microphone is going to have a known, much lower
impedance (say 20 Ohms), use this impedance instead. Make sure that the
output signal from the generator has nice clean, fast edges with no overshoot.
2) Set the generator for a signal level of approximately 0.1 Volts peak to
peak and a frequency of approximately 5 to 10 kHz.
3) Power the microphone pre-amp and adjust the gain to a level about 10dB
below clipping. The level isn't real critical, just make sure that the
pre-amp is operating in a normal gain range and that it isn't clipping.
4) Connect an oscilloscope across the secondary of the input transformer
using a x10 low capacitance oscilloscope probe. You MUST use a x10 probe in
order to prevent adding SIGNIFICANT capacitance across the secondary of the
transformer. Make sure that you have "calibrated" the oscilloscope probe
trimmer capacitor before starting this procedure.
5) Connect a capacitor substitution box in series with a 20k or 50k pot
and place this network across the secondary of the transformer. You may
also want to include a 1k pot in series with the 20k pot as a "fine"
adjustment control. The capacitor substitution box should have a range of
100pF to about 10,000pF for typical microphone input transformers. Extra
capacitors can be added in parallel if you need larger values. Standard 10%
value increments (100pF, 120pF, 150pF etc.) should provide enough
resolution for even "fussy" tweaking.
6) Make sure that the basic impedance determining load resistor is in
place across the secondary of the transformer. This value is typically 1500
Ohms x the turns ratio squared (for example our JT-115K-E uses 1500 Ohms x
10 x 10 = 150kOhms). This resistor sets the input impedance of the
microphone pre-amp.
ADJUSTMENT PROCEDURE:
1) Set the capacitor substitution box to the highest value (1000pF to
10,000pF) and adjust the pot for maximum resistance value (20k to 50k).
2) While watching the oscilloscope, lower the value of the pot. This
should decrease the overshoot of the waveform and reduce the ringing.
Adjust the pot for the highest value that will prevent all the overshoot
and ringing.
3) The objective now is going to be to find the SMALLEST value of
capacitance and the HIGHEST value of resistance that will eliminate all the
overshoot and ringing and leave just a smooth, flat topped squarewave with
a nice fast rising edge.
4) Keep decreasing the value of the capacitance and re-tuning the pot
until you can no longer eliminate the ringing and overshoot by adjusting
the pot. Go back to the last higher value of capacitance and do a final
tweak of the pot and then measure the final resistance value. These values
are your final damping network.
NOTE: Some transformers will have very high frequency, very small amplitude
ringing in addition to the main lower frequency, large amplitude ringing.
You will probably NOT be able to tweak this effect out of the transformer,
but it is usually not anything to worry about because it is so far removed
from the audio frequency range and results in only a small fraction of a
dB of frequency response variation at a point where the transformer
response is already 10dB or 20dB down from reference level.
Dale Roche - Project Engineer "
My square wave signal generator have an output impedance of 600 ohms, is possible lower to desired cartrdige DC resistance/output impedance?
Use an attenuator (which you'd want to do anyway- it won't be easy to get 0.4mV out of your generator. Series resistor with a 150R shunt, ratio of about 1000:1.
You need a resistor in series with the generator output. 100-200k will give you sufficient attenuation.
SY could I use Quasimodo test-jig to snubber the MC step-up?
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/243100-simple-no-math-transformer-snubber-using-quasimodo-test-jig.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/243100-simple-no-math-transformer-snubber-using-quasimodo-test-jig.html
The range of values is unlikely to be correct. Morgan Jones suggests using a variable capacitor from an old radio along with a potentiometer. Tune for best square wave, measure the values, then sub in fixed value parts.
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