Firstly it is not ideolect, but well-defined terminology, albeit new to some people here.
If something is audible to someone, then it is not a delusion. But it does not exclude something that is purely imaginary being heard.
I have used the term a significant number of times in this thread and in particular in responding to Markw4's contribution.
No. Markw4 stated that the basis of what I had presented in this thread was based on innumerable errant assumptions I had made. You are debating whether an if was meant inclusively or exclusively.
I am indeed open to being corrected or apologising for any lax use of language as I showed a few posts previously. But I have clarified that position.
You can't know that pride is necessarily involved in all cases of people who describe hearing small effects.
I don't. Exchange the word "pride" to something like "market" or "sells". Fill in your own word if you like. It makes no difference.
There also exists the absurdity of those who claim to hear "small effects" after they made clear that they were unaware of much bigger effects. Come back when you have finally listed all those errant assumptions you stated I have made...
Answering that question is on the leading edge of cognitive understanding at this time (AFAIK) and a semantically correct answer might require knowing if it was generated in cortical feedforward or feedback - and even that answer would be difficult to ascertain since the cortical circuitry is essentially bidirectional. You need ask an expert...
Wow - clash of the verbal titans here - certainly gave me some new words to look up!
Is not delusion the essence of salesmanship? You asked for it - you got it - Toyota! (If I buy this car, I'll have it too)
The salemanship game is really won if the delusion "sticks" (stands up to repeated listening - er, I mean audio experience) and is further solidified if others are effected by the "smoke" in the same way. If it sticks for them too - then you really have "liquid gold" or "it's like printing money".
I think audio lends itself to delusion because it's so easy to conjure up for the salesman. Happiness, being just one Sophia Audio Magik Box away with the only obstacle being what's in your wallet. If you're the type who feels your own happiness is more valuable than money, i.e. you can simply buy happiness with enough $, then the salesman has you rightly so.
Here at DIYAudio, just substitute a particular constituent collection of electronic components, arranged in a particular way. Just look at all the threads - thousands of different vectors all aiming pretty much toward the same goal. How else can this be without some measure of delusion that this particular arrangement of base components connected in this particular way is superior to what's going on in that other thread? (When they each measure pretty much the same...)
It's fun - and profitable, for those that know how to exploit it. Perhaps an interesting side would be a discussion of what makes delusion stick in the mind of an audiophile? Wasnt it Stereophile that commented on some tube amp (recently making it to the top of the pile) that it was the lightest amplifier ever to have done so? Perhaps physical weight is a factor that helps make audio delusion stick? I'd think the pretty wood frame in that quantum noise demystifier might be another...
Is not delusion the essence of salesmanship? You asked for it - you got it - Toyota! (If I buy this car, I'll have it too)
The salemanship game is really won if the delusion "sticks" (stands up to repeated listening - er, I mean audio experience) and is further solidified if others are effected by the "smoke" in the same way. If it sticks for them too - then you really have "liquid gold" or "it's like printing money".
I think audio lends itself to delusion because it's so easy to conjure up for the salesman. Happiness, being just one Sophia Audio Magik Box away with the only obstacle being what's in your wallet. If you're the type who feels your own happiness is more valuable than money, i.e. you can simply buy happiness with enough $, then the salesman has you rightly so.
Here at DIYAudio, just substitute a particular constituent collection of electronic components, arranged in a particular way. Just look at all the threads - thousands of different vectors all aiming pretty much toward the same goal. How else can this be without some measure of delusion that this particular arrangement of base components connected in this particular way is superior to what's going on in that other thread? (When they each measure pretty much the same...)
It's fun - and profitable, for those that know how to exploit it. Perhaps an interesting side would be a discussion of what makes delusion stick in the mind of an audiophile? Wasnt it Stereophile that commented on some tube amp (recently making it to the top of the pile) that it was the lightest amplifier ever to have done so? Perhaps physical weight is a factor that helps make audio delusion stick? I'd think the pretty wood frame in that quantum noise demystifier might be another...
In the simplest terms I would consider my tinnitus to be a delusion since it is audible to me only and doesn't require any external audio stimulus.
But it has a real stimulus in your neurons somewhere. It is therefore different to a perception of something that has no basis in reality. It is a blurred area...
Agreed, it's also getting to the essence of what is meant by "audible" but I think in the context of this thread we ought really to start with audible being due to a stimulus that really exists, ie, the simplest definition of the difference between illusion and delusion. So again any serious discussion of audible effects has to include evidence that there is something there in the first place?
Maybe the confusion would be less apparent if we just didn't use the term audible and discussed instead the perception of objects that do and do not exist?
Does it not amaze you that people miss that kind of statement? It is not even hidden away in the small print. It is just as though the motivation to believe something is true overrides the sensory input that says it is not...
It's interesting if you google it though. The implication is often that it can be audible to the select few, so..................FUD basically, and FOMO
More like not surprising given his core reason for joining this forum.
Still not an evidence.