Hi,
I'm currently feeding 1648 from a USB/SPDIF converter (modified with an output digital trans) to convert its SPDIF output to AES/EBU feeding into a DEQ2496 and then DCX2496 into an actively driven 3 way open baffles.
My PC source uses Foobar2000 which is capable to upsample to 2496.
I've been searching for an affordable way to get a 2496 source, but it seems all USB/SPDIF converters that I come across in the market right now does not support that.
Soundcards wise, there are M-audio and E-mu but it seems it would need an adaptor cable to interface with my AES/EBU cable.
I would really like to have a gadget (either USB/SPDIF or a Soundcard) that is capable of 2496 and sports AES/EBU output socket readily. Do you have any links?
cheers.
I'm currently feeding 1648 from a USB/SPDIF converter (modified with an output digital trans) to convert its SPDIF output to AES/EBU feeding into a DEQ2496 and then DCX2496 into an actively driven 3 way open baffles.
My PC source uses Foobar2000 which is capable to upsample to 2496.
I've been searching for an affordable way to get a 2496 source, but it seems all USB/SPDIF converters that I come across in the market right now does not support that.
Soundcards wise, there are M-audio and E-mu but it seems it would need an adaptor cable to interface with my AES/EBU cable.
I would really like to have a gadget (either USB/SPDIF or a Soundcard) that is capable of 2496 and sports AES/EBU output socket readily. Do you have any links?
cheers.
I'm using Emu 0404 and Behringer 8024. I feed it from 'spdif out' (RCA) directly to the equalizer (XLR), with a self-made cable.
Given that the computer uses 44.1khz signal, why not let the Behringer sort the rest out?
(use Kernel streaming obviously, in Foobar)
Given that the computer uses 44.1khz signal, why not let the Behringer sort the rest out?
(use Kernel streaming obviously, in Foobar)
Hi Niels,
Probably OT, but: I am trying to get my 0404 accept S/PDIF at the digital coax input, but without success. Have you tried that? If so, did it work?
Jan Didden
Probably OT, but: I am trying to get my 0404 accept S/PDIF at the digital coax input, but without success. Have you tried that? If so, did it work?
Jan Didden
janneman said:
Sorry, haven't tried it. When I couldn't get my DAC to work, I thought about trying that, but I got it working.
Nielsio said:
Hi Niels,
The DEQ2496 does not upsample 44.1khZ, hence if there's a simpler solution to get 2496 out of the PC will be great.
cheers.
Will said:
The DEQ2496 manual says it takes 44.1 through 96khz. I don't understand what needs to be upsampled.
Nielsio said:
That means the DEQ is capable of taking in up to 96khz. But if the DEQ is fed with 44.1khz from the source it stays at 44.1khz. It will not automatically upsample a 16 bit 44.1khz information to a 24bit 96khz information.
cheers.
Will said:
I know that (although it does work internally at something higher than 16bit/44.1 iirc).
That doesn't answer my question though. Why do you want to or need to upsample?
Nielsio said:
I like the way those latest generation upsampling CD players do to the sound of piano. They sound more real, the hammer strikes the string much more realistically. Overall solidity of the presentation is higher compared to standard redbook cd.
😉
Re: Resample
Ha ha yes this program caught my attention last year and I thought it was THE program to have.
Later I found out that Foobar2000 with its SRC file added into the library will be able to upsample to 2496 on the fly when music is playing, hence whatever music ripped into my HDD will be standard cd size (600-800mb).
If i were to use the r8brain program to save the new upsampled music on my HDD it'll be at least 1.5 to 2 times larger.
Ciu said:
Ha ha yes this program caught my attention last year and I thought it was THE program to have.
Later I found out that Foobar2000 with its SRC file added into the library will be able to upsample to 2496 on the fly when music is playing, hence whatever music ripped into my HDD will be standard cd size (600-800mb).
If i were to use the r8brain program to save the new upsampled music on my HDD it'll be at least 1.5 to 2 times larger.
Will said:
Non-oversampling
Digital filter-less DAC Concept
[..]
Originally, oversampling was developed to allow the use of an analog filter with gentler characteristics as a post-filter, and not to increase the amount of information. Many people still misunderstand this.
[..]
http://www.sakurasystems.com/articles/Kusunoki.html
Nielsio said:
Been there and done that. 1543 single chip, 4x, 8x piggy back, and then on to TDA1545, asynchronous reclocking etc etc. Yes they sound relaxed, organic, but not real enough. If you're acute enough you'll notice many things that don't sound correct with that non OS DAC when compared to real instruments especially on the harmonics.
DCX2496 using the AKM4393 with passive resistor output is miles ahead. With my current actively driven high efficiency open baffles they are sounding wonderfully open and lively. I just want to push that envelop further.
Please can some good souls show me the light?
cheers.
Not to rain on the parade here, but...
The DCX2496 cannot reliably handle 24/96. The digital receiver chip in the Behringer has a well known bug that has issues with 96khz digital streams. The bug is even documented on the Cirrus cs8420 chips data sheet.
The product should really be called 16 or 24/44.1.
The chip might work up to 88khz, but have not tested it personally. The fix is to replace the cs8420 receiver with a new receiver from AKM or Cirus like the cs8416.
This bug has been known for years and it's a real shame Beringher has never simply updated the board with the new receiver chip.
-David
The DCX2496 cannot reliably handle 24/96. The digital receiver chip in the Behringer has a well known bug that has issues with 96khz digital streams. The bug is even documented on the Cirrus cs8420 chips data sheet.
The product should really be called 16 or 24/44.1.
The chip might work up to 88khz, but have not tested it personally. The fix is to replace the cs8420 receiver with a new receiver from AKM or Cirus like the cs8416.
This bug has been known for years and it's a real shame Beringher has never simply updated the board with the new receiver chip.
-David
dw8083 said:
Yes I'm aware of that issue, and there are fixes for that with a new input receiver using cs8416 which is already available.
I believe the CS8420 has not been fixed because a majority of the pro users input analog instead of using 24/96 digital input.
It's just not practical to input digital to the DCX cos' how are they going to control the volume? Not unless they build something like what most of the serious listeners did i.e. a dedicated 6 channel Volume control at the output of the DCX.
I finally found something close, just that it does not have AES/EBU output.
But that price is ridiculous 😱
http://www.belcantodesign.com/news_usb_link.html
Perhaps the SRC 2496 is just so much more value comparatively.
But that price is ridiculous 😱
http://www.belcantodesign.com/news_usb_link.html
Perhaps the SRC 2496 is just so much more value comparatively.
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maybe this should reside in a separate thread but it seems related:
I own the DCX2496 for a while (with Jan Didden's active output and Frank Oettle's digital receiver mod) and I'm very happy with the result. However, lately I find myself browsing after a USB->SPDIF converter as using PC as a source turns more and more relevant. One can hardly find (if any) a device that is both 24/96 capable and is affordable. on the other hand it would seem only natural if the Behringer would accept USB audio dirrectly, without a jitter prone "modular" intermediate. I'm thinking of using something like that one http://www.compulab.co.il/fitpc2/html/fitpc2-datasheet.htm as a source and it does not have a digital output (neither firewire).
I'm not capable of designing or implementing such a device but if someone picks this up he sure will have at least one client queuing.
maybe this should reside in a separate thread but it seems related:
I own the DCX2496 for a while (with Jan Didden's active output and Frank Oettle's digital receiver mod) and I'm very happy with the result. However, lately I find myself browsing after a USB->SPDIF converter as using PC as a source turns more and more relevant. One can hardly find (if any) a device that is both 24/96 capable and is affordable. on the other hand it would seem only natural if the Behringer would accept USB audio dirrectly, without a jitter prone "modular" intermediate. I'm thinking of using something like that one http://www.compulab.co.il/fitpc2/html/fitpc2-datasheet.htm as a source and it does not have a digital output (neither firewire).
I'm not capable of designing or implementing such a device but if someone picks this up he sure will have at least one client queuing.
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