Ha ha! Yes you did. Breaking the circle of confusion took a lot of work(learning how, finding the right parts for the money, measuring, changing filters, etc...), but will save me a lot of time and effort and it has put my mind at ease. I owe you a few. I have spent countless hours messing with all the usual tweaks. Now I listen to music every chance I get--well unless I'm watching a movie.😉 Now these need to go in a nice looking boxes and build more for surrounds and possibly the bedroom just for fun, but I can't stop listening to them. Maybe in a couple months when the weather's better. No pretty prototypes 'round here.
Dan
I sense a revolution of rational thinking towards audio taking place, since it is the only approach that will survive in the long haul. Just as it did in the Dark Ages, mysticism, religious fervour and blind faith will be left behind.
/OT on
Earl, as much as I sympathise with your hope for this, the signs are not pointing that way. Unfortunately.
/OT off
jd
The Lazarus of audio threads 
Unfortunately that would require rational people, immediately eliminating audio from consideration.
Unfortunately that would require rational people, immediately eliminating audio from consideration.
The Lazarus of audio threads
Unfortunately that would require rational people, immediately eliminating audio from consideration.
You mean this was dead? I guess we're still waiting on this DBT........ If the differences are so small that you have to train for it to prove your point, there's no point in doing it IMO. There are larger problems at hand that require zero training to hear. Passive listening is all that's required. Those are the problems I'm looking to fix in my own system now.
As far as an audio revolution is concerned I have many thoughts, but they are more easily summed with this analogy: Drs. Geddes, Toole, Olive, and some others are trying their best to be Martin Luther, but the public still seems reluctant to listen. The audiophile community is comfortable paying their penance and receiving intermittent moments of rapture followed by more penance. Gambling will always be addictive for rich and poor alike. There is however a small sect of disciples who are starting their own schools of audio rationalism, but they presently have few students. They profess their knowledge freely, most of the students refuse it because it contradicts what they believe and fail without ever trying to comprehend much less experience. Maybe this is why American Colleges and Universities do so much better than American public high schools--you have to pay to receive the knowledge. Why is free knowledge so hard to accept, but free belief so readily accepted? It was hard for me to say "Yes, you know more than I do. I will listen." I didn't have this trouble at the university. I accepted that my professors knew more than I did before I even entered lecture. Many audiophiles it seems want to study calculus or even experiment with quantum physics before they have a solid grasp on algebra. It will never work. Who knows where audio will go, but it would be great if understanding caught on. Of course then there wouldn't be 1200 post threads that were so impassioned and thrilling to read even though the underlying topic is sad and sort of depressing. BTW, did you know Jerry Springer is STILL on the air? Even rational people can't resist a good drama from time to time as evidenced by some rational people posting in this thread. Though I suspect that rational people would not keep this thread alive or the Springer show on the air.
Dan
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You don't see the contradiction between demanding the final word of industry authority in audio while assuming without credential the same authority when it comes to psychological pronouncements? 'Been there' doesn't meet your standard.
Incidentally, if I'm not mistaken Toole/Olive have a very different opinion on the proper forward radiation pattern for a loudspeaker than Geddes. Which authority?
Incidentally, if I'm not mistaken Toole/Olive have a very different opinion on the proper forward radiation pattern for a loudspeaker than Geddes. Which authority?
Hi Dan, if you read some of my previous posts you'd find that i'm not one of these people that go nuts on "audio" cables. I generally run some $6.75 meter balanced cable with decent interconnects. For single ended applications i use this stuff. Nothing ridiculous 😉
Where i did spend some money was on digital cables. I was using the same single ended cable between CD transport & DIP24/96 & then DAC. Incredibly i found a cheap balanced MIDI cable outperformed something of superior construction & screening so i spent about £150 ($225) on cables to just deal with digital signals. It was well worth it...
I have a rapture every time i turn the hifi on & get something playing 😀 A few DJs i know bring any new tracks they have produced round here simply to hear what they sound like on a better system than most people bother with. They then know if they have messed up somewhere & need to do more work..
Bests
Mark.
RDF, your last post doesn't seem to have any point. Maybe it's just grammar or presumptions you are making? It's hard to tell. It seems you think that why I find what these people say to be interesting has something to do with their credentials. It doesn't. I have been around the circle, so to speak, many, many times. It started when I was 14--20 years ago! Man I'm old. I don't care to argue silly trivial points--or lack there of. Life is too short. You, and all of us have a choice to make--live in the circle, or get out of it. What I find interesting about what these gents, and some others are saying is that there is good evidence to back it up. If what's said is true and verified, then why fight it? I don't believe the Earth flat, the center of the solar system, or that my heart in in my stomach, etc... There is reason that the people with the most insight into the industry are in the industry--they've studied and conducted studies on the issues at hand. I'm not going to a shaman to fix my Tetralogy of Fallot, and there's good reason for it, but we all have the right to choose.
Mark, Thanks! I'll check out those links to see if there's some cheap but quality cables to be had. I do enjoy building them though, but if I could find the same quality for nearly the same price, I'd probably just buy.
Markus, yes, that's certainly part of it, but there's more. Too much more to put in a post unfortunately.
Anyway, my point is made.
Dan
Mark, Thanks! I'll check out those links to see if there's some cheap but quality cables to be had. I do enjoy building them though, but if I could find the same quality for nearly the same price, I'd probably just buy.
Markus, yes, that's certainly part of it, but there's more. Too much more to put in a post unfortunately.
Anyway, my point is made.
Dan
(d) All of the above. They all believe that speakers and rooms are relevant and worthy of debate, and wire is a trivial matter. Which hasn't yet been contradicted by any actual evidence.
So, have you gotten any evidence yet, or are you still concentrating on grousing?
Hmm... not so sure about that.
I have a 10m Toslink optical cable running from the ADAT output of an ADC unit to the ADAT input of a RME soundcard, across two rooms. Cost me $15.
The beauty about digital is: (a) no hum etc from electrical interference, and (b) if there is any loss of data due to problems with the cable, you hear it instantly with loud "pops" (like scratches on LPs). Thats how bits work.
So, just like analogue cables, cables carrying digital signals just need to be well constructed, not expensive.
To: Markus I stopped participating in this thread when IMO the verbage towards myself became berating & comments about my audio system became disparaging by some of those with the opposite POV. The ONLY reason I've decided to answer you here is because you decided to exercise poor judgement and make my private email to you public instead of responding privately. You could have asked me why I chose to do that privately
To: Everyone else. I won't be replying to any other questions or comments here. Should someone feel like they'd like to ask me a question or contact me either send me an email or don't expect a reply.
Markus after reading my post to SY you made the comment; "Looks like you never heard a really good sounding system." I then sent you a private email in which explained to you, these aren't my speakers! I also explained to you the ONLY reason I included the photos was to show those who make the claim that full-range drivers have such a terrible, ragged, frequency response based on published specs they've read somewhere, that this is often not the case when they're loaded in a proper cabinet. So for you to comment that I have never heard a really good sounding system based on tests I didn't perform, in cabinets I don't own, made you look foolish.
Yet even after explaining all this to you, here you are continuing to ask me questions about a test I didn't perform! These tests were done in Japan, Markus. You can read about it here: FE208ES vs FE208ES-R "if" you choose to. No offense Markus but, you really need to drastically increase your reading comprehension!
Once again, I didn't before the test. If you have problem with how the test was run or questions about the test itself I suggest you click on the link I provided you above and contact the people who actually did the test in question.
You can ask SY all about these things after he visits and administers the interconnect DBT. Personally I don't do a lot of measuring. I believe in attending as much live, unamplified musical events that I can. I do this in order to educate my ear/brain how to recognize the unique harmonic structure & timbre that makes each instrument's "voice" sound as unique as it does. I also attempt to hear the instruments in as many different type venues as possible. After that I allow my ear to be the final arbitrator when setting up my system.
I have no problem with people measuring things and perhaps if there was a problem I couldn't locate or solve in my system by ear I'd employ their usage to help locate or resolve the issue. Maybe when everthing's done I'll have someone take some measurements just to see how well I did by ear alone. With these comments I'm gone for good or at least up until after the DBT is done. So while pople can certainly present me with questions, I won't be around to answer them!
Tom Scata (thetubeguy1954)
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"The man that hath no music in himself nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils."
- William Shakespeare
"Verbiage"? Look at the word count of your posts versus mine. If you talk to people, you should be prepared that they answer you. Instead of explaining your likes and dislikes it would be more helpful to discuss the topic at hand and answer my questions. Or did you just post data to support your claim but don't understand the meaning of such data? I don't understand the data you showed because it's not complete and I don't know the language of the site you linked - do you?
Best, Markus
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A PM is a PM and there must be a reason for it.You should have respected that,or politely tell Tom(by PM) that you don't wish to receive PM's.Simple.
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