I have only seen one audiophile take DBT seriously and couldn't believe that he could not statistically detect what he knew he heard. Shortly after that he lost interest in audio as a hobby. Once DBT showed him the truth, all the magic was gone and he lost all interest.
Speaker cables and interconnects make a world of difference.
I have sat down several people in front of a nice system and showed them by AB switching just how huge the difference is.
Those poeple who think there is no difference usualy have a system that is totally incapable of quality and/or are tone deaf.
Halcro for examp[le use a plated tube to connect the output of the amp module to the read terminals on one of their big beasts.
Try some twin tririp and then replace it with some Wireworld gold or silver eclipse - expecially bi-wire.
Keep a good synergy by using the same typee of intercopnnects as well.
Daryl Mills
LogicResearch
I have sat down several people in front of a nice system and showed them by AB switching just how huge the difference is.
Those poeple who think there is no difference usualy have a system that is totally incapable of quality and/or are tone deaf.
Halcro for examp[le use a plated tube to connect the output of the amp module to the read terminals on one of their big beasts.
Try some twin tririp and then replace it with some Wireworld gold or silver eclipse - expecially bi-wire.
Keep a good synergy by using the same typee of intercopnnects as well.
Daryl Mills
LogicResearch
Sorry Earl. I was using simplified design equations to simulate first order crossovers - with tweeter TS - on a 30-step programmable HP calculator over a quarter century ago and did full system sims on an IBM 360 around the same time. I understand. In domestic living rooms there's still a huge gulf between the catholic 'widest, evenest dispersion possible' and your approach.
Some day we'll get past the notion disagreement on the completeness of our understanding of audio reproduction automatically entails idiocy, ignorance or 'magic think'.
Some day we'll get past the notion disagreement on the completeness of our understanding of audio reproduction automatically entails idiocy, ignorance or 'magic think'.
I'm always keen to demonstrate the differences in top-end gear - especially things like cables, polycrystals, various transports and dac's, etc.
If anyone is over this way - call in for a cuppa (ill of whiskys)
If anyone is over this way - call in for a cuppa (ill of whiskys)
That reminds me of one demo we did one night.
We sat some people down and played a CD (stamped in Australia) and then played the same CD again except this time one stamped in Germany.
Everyone noticed the difference but didn't know what it was until we told them.
Hope there is no Aussies here!
We sat some people down and played a CD (stamped in Australia) and then played the same CD again except this time one stamped in Germany.
Everyone noticed the difference but didn't know what it was until we told them.
Hope there is no Aussies here!
i can see merits in BOTH camps of dispersion, Gedlees philosophy is interesting, and makes logical sense to me, given that reducing SOME reflections from off axis components is desired. Obviously, this can be achieved in other ways, such as damping the nearby surfaces, but not everyone wants foam on their walls, so an alternative strategy is very useful. omni directional repro would be the ultimate goal, if one could listen in a damped room, free from these reflections. however i dont think that will ever happen, at least not in my lifetime.
Then you will pass a DBT with flying colours then. Well done.
Wow! whoda thunk at post twelve thousand we would gain the valuable insight that 'those poeple who think there is no difference usualy have a system that is totally incapable of quality and/or are tone deaf.'
And your system is???
Show us all how good your system is by passing a properly conducted DBT yeah? You a salesman?? Hence the sighted AB test.
I'll bet it worked well. Remember what I said about Tom being worth a thousand JAIBs??
Well, thats one response you could take.
Another is to rejoice that you can leave the cable fetishes behind and spend your money on things that will really make a big difference to sound quality.
Like better loudspeakers.
It's SOOO obvious...!
must've been the well-known "Coriolis Effect" taking hold... affecting all manner of things...😉
or maybe it was anthropogenic global warming😀
BTW: Did anyone stomp their feet???
Geez 2 posts in one year... and you picked THIS thread??? ;-)
must've been the well-known "Coriolis Effect" taking hold... affecting all manner of things...😉
or maybe it was anthropogenic global warming😀
BTW: Did anyone stomp their feet???
Geez 2 posts in one year... and you picked THIS thread??? ;-)
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Yeah pretty much. Anyone bother to do a null test?
On the gurus - I do see areas where even Linkwitz is in line with Toole, Olive, and Geddlee. Basically all of you guys use speakers with a clean off axis response. You have conflicting theories about specific directivity. From my outside perspective looking in on all of the different subjective reviews trying to find a tangible difference there doesn't seem to be much of one. Subjective reviews seem very similar to me for a lot of controlled directivity speakers.
And I don't think we should just pic our guru and stick to what they say. We need to figure out what exactly they are right about and what they are wrong about. And also the very minute differences in imaging do not seem well documented. Personally I think most of you are trying to force an elephant through a straw with 2 channel stereo and the desired imaging I hear Linkwitz, Moutlon, Toole etc.. talk about.
Interestingly, Siegfried Linkwitz says results with his small omnis can be very similar to his dipoles - you just need to sit closer to the omnis to get the same ratio of direct to reflected sound.
btw: Nelson Pass has something in common with Earl Geddes too: I've seen pictures of stuff hooked up with chocolate block connectors and what looks suspiciously like zip-cord from both of them, which brings us back neatly to the topic of this thread....
Pop quizz:
If the good folks at 6Moons saw Nelson doing that, would it result in them:
A) Having a collective conniption and demoting him from "Guru" status.
B) Instantly creating a market for $500 "audiophile grade" chocolate blocks.
C) Other (please specify)
😀
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I would be interested in taking this test after I have agreed on the equipement involved by normal listening evaluation.
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