I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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I don't think so. His years of exposure to 130db SPL's came as a sound engineer for the Grateful Dead, which I believe would have been back in the late 60's - early 70's. Not a fan of that type of music, so I could be wrong.
Oh, I may have seen him then🙂 Which reminds me, I thought Pete Townsend was pretty much deaf, but I didn't notice any hearing aids in the Super Bowl performance. Boy the 60's and 70's when so many bands played live AND out of tune.
 
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I thought Pete Townsend was pretty much deaf, but I didn't notice any hearing aids in the Super Bowl performance.
He's still alive? Wow.
Didn't watch the half time show. Hopefully they can have Rod Stewart play next year (or maybe just roll an actual museum fossil out on stage to the sound of music).

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Boy the 60's and 70's when so many bands played live AND out of tune.
Well, my $25,000 cables have such incredible pace, rhythm and timing, they can correct that.
 
The information is out there but you can't make peole read it. Believing is so much easier than cogitation.

Jakob, what "categorical conclusion" and data are you talking about?

I was referring to this statement:

"Sense of sight easily overrides our sense of hearing. Nothing new. That's why sighted listening tests are pretty useless: Audio Musings by Sean Olive: The Dishonesty of Sighted Listening Tests"

Wishes
 
I don't completely agree, but there is a point that I have often made: As the reproduction becomes better and better then taste/prefernce has to become a lessor and lessor factor, because, if the reproduction is perfect, then taste and prefence are irrelavent.

I think at that point we are in total agreement.

But, of course stereophonic reproduction is in no way capable to reproduce something in a perfect way, it only can provide an illusion of reality.

Therefore and due to inherent variables in the recording process (what microphone to choose that sound really "real" ? ) i just don´t see that personal taste or preference can be taken out of the game.

If we are listening to an event that remains to reality but is as imperfect as stereophonic reproduction is, it depends strongly on individual mechanisms which kind of error will be the best to trigger our brain-perception to recreate a suitable illusion.

Wishes
 
Excellent! So Jakob,
What positive control do we use for (TG54) wire tests?

Seriously i don´t know what controls _you_ are going to use in the SY/TG54 wire test. 🙂
I´ve made some proposals, but can´t remember of any from SY or AJinFLA.

How did you eliminate the switch box from contaminating your results?

Simply by not using a switch box.

How, as a (non-adversary) administrator, did you eliminate your subjectivist desperation for a positive result from adversely affecting the test results?
How did Sturm?

In a double blind test even the most desperated administrator can´t unintentionally favor a rejection of the null hypothesis.

One possibility is that the administrator is not present during the tests, another one is to train the participants of the test.
And of course the controls help also in this regard. .)
Sturm wasn´t present during the tests.

Wishes
 
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If we are listening to an event that remains to reality but is as imperfect as stereophonic reproduction is, it depends strongly on individual mechanisms which kind of error will be the best to trigger our brain-perception to recreate a suitable illusion.

Is "error" a typo? You mean "cue"? If yes, this is a claim that has never been sufficiently verified. The working hypothesis still is that we all respond the same way to the same cues.
 
For example, we did tests of compression drivers on plane wave tubes where the driver was in and out of the loop, just as one might test a DAC for example. This was quite telling, because it was very hard to hear the driver itself.


Hi Earl. Still waiting for more info on this. Maybe you missed my earlier question about it. As I don't really understand this loop test, maybe you have more info?
 
That is the reality when we have an audio system in a room.This is the real point where many have to understand that forbiden words like synergy,personal taste,hearing ability status......are not only part of the game but mandatory elements of it.Who needs a "perfect system" that he cannot enjoy?
Good post Panicos. Heaven forbid that we would choose components that were not 'perfect' for the job at hand, and ordinary cables are perfect for the job at hand. If you want something fancy, expensive cables are excellent....just not necessary.
On the 'perfect' versus 'sounding good' systems, there is no problem as nothing is perfect. cheers
 
Good post Panicos. Heaven forbid that we would choose components that were not 'perfect' for the job at hand, and ordinary cables are perfect for the job at hand. If you want something fancy, expensive cables are excellent....just not necessary.
On the 'perfect' versus 'sounding good' systems, there is no problem as nothing is perfect. cheers

Hi Fredex,I wasn't speaking for cables only.Yes all in good measure though,including cables🙂 It is just a 20 sq.m room afterall.......
 
Hi Fredex,I wasn't speaking for cables only.Yes all in good measure though,including cables🙂 .......

I like, "all in good measure"... though some "good" folk don't like the word "measure" at all!
I realise you weren't just talking of cables here but it reminded me of a time when fancy guys used to get their favourite piece of gear gold plated, Linn Sondek turntables and Nakamichi cassette decks were plated at great expense, a bit like gold bath taps. No one claimed it made the gear sound better, they just did it for fun and er bragging rights. Expensive cables can do the same thing for the owner, but now days it is a bit un-cool to be too fancy so the "idea" that they actually make the system sound better has taken hold. It is all about being cool. Just Bling is a bit scary for some.
 
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