I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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much better than isopropanol...

I made no case for the use of rubbing alcohol. Ironically enough, it's contaminated with skin softening agents that make it unusable for electronics, something you neglected to mention or didn't know.
You can buy isopropyl as a pure chemical, so no need to use 'rubbing alcohol', which was not mentioned in the earlier post.
 
yeah, right

You seem confused on the meaning of 'diversion'.

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My experience isn't as grand, limited to supporting audio production and transmission plants for 30 years, include sites that once permitted smoking. So please continue to educate me about the true nature of the connector issues in audio applications.

apparently un-educatable... taking text out of context seems to be your modus operandi.. as is ad-hominem.. you seem bound and determined to impune anything I post... what's your problem....

too bad lives don't depend on "audio production and transmission"... maybe, if they did, accountability for ones knowledge would be more important...

Think I'll go de-oxidize some contacts...😀

John L.
 
apparently un-educatable... taking text out of context seems to be your modus operandi.. as is ad-hominem.. you seem bound and determined to impune anything I post... what's your problem....

too bad lives don't depend on "audio production and transmission"... maybe, if they did, accountability for ones knowledge would be more important...

Think I'll go de-oxidize some contacts...😀

John L.
Rightee-O Bob.
 
Wait! Don't do the experiment before I can put on my special audio wizard hat, crafted of the finest European aluminium foil. It allows me to hear up to 9 GHz, and the magical 2 Hz tones of Lady Gaga. Ok ready!

Don't hold out on us. Where can we get one of these hats! I am not going to be able to hear another thing until I get one of those hats 😀 Man I can think of a few others around here that could use something like this too 🙂
 
Curly, I've applied for a patent. It's a technical process that involves a lot of ummm "science"... yes that's it! It's all very complex. Yadda yadda boundary effect, blah blah time domain distortions. Anyone who loves audio and is super cool can hear the difference, I have objective data! Objective! I have numbers that I wrote down in a list! All this can be yours for 39.95 in Canadian dollars. We also accept payment via beavers and furry lumberjack hats.
 
Curly, I've applied for a patent. It's a technical process that involves a lot of ummm "science"... yes that's it! It's all very complex. Yadda yadda boundary effect, blah blah time domain distortions. Anyone who loves audio and is super cool can hear the difference, I have objective data! Objective! I have numbers that I wrote down in a list! All this can be yours for 39.95 in Canadian dollars. We also accept payment via beavers and furry lumberjack hats.

I think we can get a collection for some of the less fortunate here that can not hear anything unless it is hooked up to a scope 😀
 
Hi,

Say what? How do "airborne pollutants" manage to get between a metal - metal contact? Or do so called subjectivists simply refute anything posted that is contrary to their personal sense of logic?

Since I do this for a living (have to guarentee electrical integrity of high value microwave and aerospace hardware surface continuity, otherwise NASA, JPL, et als don't pay me) I know what's correct... and it's not isopropanol for electrical integrity and deoxidation

Now if you have cra&*y connectors with poor design, porous surface coatings,or lousy tube socket materials, subject to vibration and movement, thermal cycling, etc. breaking the metal - metal interference fit, that's a different situation... then you ought to degrease with freon or trichlor.... much better than isopropanol... but let's talk apples to apples here.

As usual, refutation by diversion.... how petty, tired and depressing...

John L.

Guess where Tweak came from? Yep NASA.

No, I won't mention isopranol again since in your book RCA connectors provide a gas tight connection...Do they?

Cheers, 😉
 
yes, cable is audible and you can measure it. i also found a low level noise that is quite different in various makes. so there is some noise modulation going on. i made the measurements with 16 Bit resolution many years ago and would expect to find more if i would do it again with 24 bit resolution. well that is not possible because of noise in the analog transfer but 20 bit could be possible with a lot of averaging. I learned from research done in Germany and England that the ear has a 21.5 bit 96 kHz resolution in some mid frequency range so do not underestimate the ear. i know, this discussion is hopeless. some hear it and some don´t and nobody will give up their position.
that does not imply that you have to spend a fortune for cables. in my speakers i use quite conventional stuff because my people hate to have problems with soldering and handling. BUT internal wiring is very short and this is my advice. Short cables are the cheapest way to improvement. Or go active. HUGE improvement, but this is not high end any more as the minuscle amount of active speakers sold to home enthusiats show.
 
Say what? How do "airborne pollutants" manage to get between a metal - metal contact?.

One would wonder, but after that dust storm we had over here a couple of months ago, I'm amazed at where that darn red dust has gotten to.
Inside screwed down connectors, inside rubber washers that one would expect to be water and air tight. It just gets everywhere !!
 
yes, cable is audible and you can measure it. i also found a low level noise that is quite different in various makes. so there is some noise modulation going on. i made the measurements with 16 Bit resolution many years ago and would expect to find more if i would do it again with 24 bit resolution. well that is not possible because of noise in the analog transfer but 20 bit could be possible with a lot of averaging. I learned from research done in Germany and England that the ear has a 21.5 bit 96 kHz resolution in some mid frequency range so do not underestimate the ear. i know, this discussion is hopeless. some hear it and some don´t and nobody will give up their position.
that does not imply that you have to spend a fortune for cables. in my speakers i use quite conventional stuff because my people hate to have problems with soldering and handling. BUT internal wiring is very short and this is my advice. Short cables are the cheapest way to improvement. Or go active. HUGE improvement, but this is not high end any more as the minuscle amount of active speakers sold to home enthusiats show.

It is refreshing to have testimonials from an engineer that also can hear differences in cables.
 
I think we can get a collection for some of the less fortunate here that can not hear anything unless it is hooked up to a scope 😀

Give it up Curly, we're busted. It's pointless denying it any longer. Yes, all the 'subjectivists' talk about how much cooler we are than J.R.Freeman at our secret cabals, save for the Monthly Grand Fête which is spent stalking auplater. And we're deluded?
 
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