..............Though I have a question. Why do you think the percentage of subjectivists (in all degrees) is so much larger among those one way or another involved in the audio industry, be it design, manufacturing or sales? And why is is not the same (at least quantitatively) in other consumer electronics areas (like e.g. video). Or is it?
It is good for business.🙂
I don't think there is as much ** subjectivism in evaluation of video equipment, because even if you don't like a certain 'look' there is no dispute that one look is different than another, you can see it. With your eyes shut audio can be anything you want or don't want.
Anyone (myself included) who gets too caught up in the way content is presented as opposed to the content itself runs the risk of not fully appreciating that content.
A great movie that touches you in a profound way can do so whether it is on VHS, DVD or Blue Ray. Same with great music. I think a lot of golden eared subjectivists mistake the presentation for the message, they use music to listen to their gear. Others use the gear to listen to the music.
If you apply some audiophile comments to video you could get, "this DVD player totally failed to convey the emotions in the scene" or "this player rendered the car chase in a so so fashion, it lacked the speed and visceral impact of the real thing." ......get my drift? Cheers.
..............The difference is HUGE. Everyone notices. It's a much larger change than swapping different types of coupling caps..........
Care for another experiment? Without telling anyone put back the original cable and "everyone" should notice it again.
It is good for business.🙂
I don't think there is as much ** subjectivism in evaluation of video equipment, because even if you don't like a certain 'look' there is no dispute that one look is different than another, you can see it. With your eyes shut audio can be anything you want or don't want.
Anyone (myself included) who gets too caught up in the way content is presented as opposed to the content itself runs the risk of not fully appreciating that content.
A great movie that touches you in a profound way can do so whether it is on VHS, DVD or Blue Ray. Same with great music. I think a lot of golden eared subjectivists mistake the presentation for the message, they use music to listen to their gear. Others use the gear to listen to the music.
If you apply some audiophile comments to video you could get, "this DVD player totally failed to convey the emotions in the scene" or "this player rendered the car chase in a so so fashion, it lacked the speed and visceral impact of the real thing." ......get my drift? Cheers.
Wow so that is what we are doing! Thank you for pointing out the error in our ways Are you a psychologist, or do you just play one on the internet 😀
Bob being the guy at "Snake Oyl R Us" that paints the arrows on.
Each day Bob sets himself down in front of a large box of cables, pulls them out one by one, paints on the arrows and tosses them back on the conveyor.
Sometimes Bob screws up and paints arrows both ways on the same cable.
Mr Oyl used to get mad at Bob when that happened. Then one day he realised he could just mark up the "rejects" an extra 30 percent and sell them as "special" bi-directional cables.
Sales have been brisk.
If I were you,I would give this "gentleman"a nice advertisement to all my friends. You know about it,you owe it to youself and friends to nail him.

Wow so that is what we are doing! Thank you for pointing out the error in our ways Are you a psychologist, or do you just play one on the internet 😀
Why take it personally? 😀
Why take it personally? 😀
I didn't fredex. I just thought that since we were having fun, I wanted to play too 😀
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I didn't fredex. I just thought that since we were having fun, I wanted to play too 😀
I have been playing, to bad my fingers hurt 🙁
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Here is another one. I don't know who first said this but it goes something like this;
"What Audiophiles really want, although they don't know it, is a really good juke box".
Here is another one. I don't know who first said this but it goes something like this;
"What Audiophiles really want, although they don't know it, is a really good juke box".
I have been playing, to bad my fingers hurt 🙁
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Oh, Timber Kable ? 😀
Curly
Here is another one. I don't know who first said this but it goes something like this;
"What Audiophiles really want, although they don't know it, is a really good juke box".
They have that already. It is called a "SqueezeBox"
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Oh, Timber Kable ? 😀
no, hand made each braid, Silver teflon wire 🙂
I have been playing, to bad my fingers hurt 🙁
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Very nice work. I also like the name "Timber Cable" 😀
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Very nice work. I also like the name "Timber Cable" 😀
Strong I bet we could pull a car with this 🙂
huh?
Say what? How do "airborne pollutants" manage to get between a metal - metal contact? Or do so called subjectivists simply refute anything posted that is contrary to their personal sense of logic?
Since I do this for a living (have to guarentee electrical integrity of high value microwave and aerospace hardware surface continuity, otherwise NASA, JPL, et als don't pay me) I know what's correct... and it's not isopropanol for electrical integrity and deoxidation
Now if you have cra&*y connectors with poor design, porous surface coatings,or lousy tube socket materials, subject to vibration and movement, thermal cycling, etc. breaking the metal - metal interference fit, that's a different situation... then you ought to degrease with freon or trichlor.... much better than isopropanol... but let's talk apples to apples here.
As usual, refutation by diversion.... how petty, tired and depressing...
John L.
While 'objectivists' apparently can't wrap their heads around the concept of airborne pollutants not related to oxidization or, heaven forbid, that the listener might cook or smoke. One wonders what magic they believes transpires when they clean their inside windows. Oxidized glass?
Say what? How do "airborne pollutants" manage to get between a metal - metal contact? Or do so called subjectivists simply refute anything posted that is contrary to their personal sense of logic?
Since I do this for a living (have to guarentee electrical integrity of high value microwave and aerospace hardware surface continuity, otherwise NASA, JPL, et als don't pay me) I know what's correct... and it's not isopropanol for electrical integrity and deoxidation
Now if you have cra&*y connectors with poor design, porous surface coatings,or lousy tube socket materials, subject to vibration and movement, thermal cycling, etc. breaking the metal - metal interference fit, that's a different situation... then you ought to degrease with freon or trichlor.... much better than isopropanol... but let's talk apples to apples here.
As usual, refutation by diversion.... how petty, tired and depressing...
John L.
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You must be too young to have had experiences in front of a real jukebox. 🙂They have that already. It is called a "SqueezeBox"
You must be too young to have had experiences in front of a real jukebox. 🙂
I am 52. I know what a "Seeburg" look's like 😀
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If it was the sound track of your younger years you would understand the quote. 😉I am 52. I know what a "Seeburg" look's like 😀
As usual, refutation by diversion.... how petty, tired and depressing...
John L.
You seem confused on the meaning of 'diversion'.
When RCA comes in air-tight versions or are never removed you might have a valid technical point. The notion that connectors can be fouled by more than just metallic oxidization is prosaic reasoning, I can't speak for your hurdles. Nor your reading abilities. I made no case for the use of rubbing alcohol. Ironically enough, it's contaminated with skin softening agents that make it unusable for electronics, something you neglected to mention or didn't know.
My experience isn't as grand, limited to supporting audio production and transmission plants for 30 years, include sites that once permitted smoking. So please continue to educate me about the true nature of the connector issues in audio applications.
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