I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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You assume that there is a difference and then you proceed to explain why some can and some cannot or resist to hear it. Maybe there isn't any, that is what the test should establish in the first place. If you already know that there is a difference, you can skip the whole test.
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I didn't make a prior assumption. I only drew a conclusion from the test. I am, after all, willing to accept the results of SY's red cork/blue cork Two-Buck Chuck wine tasting test.🙂

John
 
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Andre Visser said:


Jan, I've heard a small difference in the focus of the instruments in the soundstage, the 'direction' of the cable were taken from the direction the name were written.

My feeling about this test is that direction on that cable did not matter. I don't know whether the fact that it wasn't used for a long time have an influence though. 😀
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That's not the point. You said that you mixed up the direction of the cable, that it was 'right-pointing' while you though it was 'left-pointing'. My question was, how do you interprete what you hear to decide which way you think it is pointing?

jd
 
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janneman said:
That would be fudging the results, anything after that would be laughed away. That way I can prove anything. I'm sure you understand that 😉

Jan Didden
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No, that would mean that you acknowledge that all people are not the same (perhaps that is discrimination 😀 ) and that there may just be people that can hear the differences.

The problem with that may be that people may just start to listen for themselves again and the mass produced so called 'hi-fi' market will have to start producing listenable systems.
 
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Andre Visser said:


No, that would mean that you acknowledge that all people are not the same (perhaps that is discrimination 😀 ) and that there may just be people that can hear the differences.

The problem with that may be that people may just start to listen for themselves again and the mass produced so called 'hi-fi' market will have to start producing listenable systems.
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Sorry but this is pure BS.
 
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janneman said:
That's not the point. You said that you mixed up the direction of the cable, that it was 'right-pointing' while you though it was 'left-pointing'. My question was, how do you interprete what you hear to decide which way you think it is pointing?

jd
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Not sure what you want to know, I've marked the cables with arrows in the direction of the writing, I called that the 'right' way (arrows/writing going from CD to Pre-amp) or the 'wrong' way when reversed.
 
#4,010
janneman said:
Sigh. That is only if you already know that there IS a difference. Why single out the 5/5 guy? Why not the 0/5 guy?

jd
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As I've said, I'm not interested in the average, I'm interested in what is possible to achieve.

This same argument about amps that measure the same, sound the same get distorted along the way, ending up with people claiming all amps sound the same. I would like to see the names of these amps that were supossed to measure the same anyhow.
 
#4,011
Actually, Jan, retest of the 5/5 guy is quite valid. If he scores 5/5 again, then what you really have is a ten trial test which is much more certain. In the cork tests John alluded to, we would very often retest people who got a high score just to distinguish differential sensitivity from chance.

The guy who flipped the coin 5 times heads is not a better coin flipper!😀
 
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janneman said:
Lets look at SY's example of 100 people doing 5 coin tosses each.
After the first toss, there's about 50 people with heads, 50 with tails. Those 50 with heads, after the next toss, will be roughly divided between 25 that again have heads. So now you have 25 people with 2 heads. By symmetry you also have 25 people with 2 tails.
Next toss, the 25 with 2 heads are now divided in say 12 that again have heads, so now you have 12 people with 3 heads. Two more tosses and you end up with 3 people with 5 tails and 3 with 5 heads.

So if you yourself want to get 5 tails, how often do you need to toss 5 times to be almost(!) sure to have 5 tails? Well, of course you could get lucky and get 5 tails in the first set of 5 tosses. But if you do 30 sets, you'r pretty sure (but not guaranteed) that you have a set of 5 tails.

Edit: I'm not 100% sure of this last bit. Anyone?

jd
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Can I have 10 ears instead of 5 tails🙂
 
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Andre Visser said:


Jan, I've heard a small difference in the focus of the instruments in the soundstage, the 'direction' of the cable were taken from the direction the name were written.

My feeling about this test is that direction on that cable did not matter. I don't know whether the fact that it wasn't used for a long time have an influence though. 😀
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Usually cables that are "sensitive"to direction,might have slightly fuller bass and slightly better harmonics.This as Andre said,incrases also the soundstage a little.
 
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audio-kraut said:


what does this mean? Can you elaborate how a cable could be "directional" to ac? or dc? Where do the diodes come into the cable?
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I used the word "sensitive" because I couldn't think of any other.Some opinions I have read many years ago,said that directionality has to do partly with the "shape of the metal's crystals as metal is drawn into strands,either from solid or melt form.I don't know anything more on this
 
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I don't know anything more on this
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The only ones originally claiming that a cable could be directional to a ac signal are the manufacturers, as far as I know.
I guess nothing but a marketing ploy to set themselves apart from the "crowd".

While other parameters have been measured that might influence signal transmission, I have seen no measurements that would indicate that changing direction has any effect.
 
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audio-kraut said:


The only ones originally claiming that a cable could be directional to a ac signal are the manufacturers, as far as I know.
I guess nothing but a marketing ploy to set themselves apart from the "crowd".

While other parameters have been measured that might influence signal transmission, I have seen no measurements that would indicate that changing direction has any effect.
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I haven't seen any either.It was many years ago that I've read these comments,and you could be right it might have been some manufacturer's comment.I can't remember now.
 
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