I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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I guess everyone just wants to ignore the Carver/Fremmer story.
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What Carver/"Fremmer" story? I saw a J. Gordon Holt story, but nothing that had anything to do with Michael Fremer. You really ought to go back and read your own link.

I'd LOVE to see a cite on that.
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I was under the impression that you were already familiar with the testing procedure.

You're not talking about the Randi challenge, are you?
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He is, but unfortunately the principals (as well as SY) are keeping the details of the circumstances obscure.

John
 
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janneman said:
Lets look at SY's example of 100 people doing 5 coin tosses each.
After the first toss, there's about 50 people with heads, 50 with tails. Those 50 with heads, after the next toss, will be roughly divided between 25 that again have heads. So now you have 25 people with 2 heads. By symmetry you also have 25 people with 2 tails.
Next toss, the 25 with 2 heads are now divided in say 12 that again have heads, so now you have 12 people with 3 heads. Two more tosses and you end up with 3 people with 5 tails and 3 with 5 heads.

So if you yourself want to get 5 tails, how often do you need to toss 5 times to be almost(!) sure to have 5 tails? Well, of course you could get lucky and get 5 tails in the first set of 5 tosses. But if you do 30 sets, you'r pretty sure (but not guaranteed) that you have a set of 5 tails.

Edit: I'm not 100% sure of this last bit. Anyone?
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Sorry for being behind in this thread. Also, statistics is, to say the least, not my specialty. But there is something here that's bugging me. Please let me know where I am wrong in my assumptions.

Assume the probability of guessing a coin toss correctly is 1/2. Now if you do 5 consecutive coin tosses and they are statistically independent events, isn't the probability of guessing all 5 correctly (1/2)5 = 1/32? With 100 people doing this experiment, it would seem that 100/32 ~= 3 people will get all 5 coin toss guesses correct. But what of the second group of 3 that Jan mentions? Isn't that a group that gets all 5 coin tosses incorrect? I don't understand how it could be that 6 people are getting all 5 tosses correct here.
 
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fdegrove said:
.........Ask yourself why you don't hear/ any differences. Have you really been preconditionned or brainwashed by your so called "education"? Cheers, 😉
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I feel your anger/frustration. Could be that you are actually a scientist at heart and you know the mind plays tricks, hence your explaination of why we can't hear something that is there. The problem is you could also be mistaken, or does it only apply to us? Cheers.
 
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fdegrove said:
Looking back, in the early Seventies every scientist would tell you all caps should behave the same. A resistor was just that, a resistor.
Nowadays we know better and science has caught up. Sort of.
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Hi Frank.

In defence of scientists i have to admit they are pretty consistent in their opinions. The same bunch who don't hear cables also do not hear capacitors, resistors, digital sources, opamps, absolute phase or tubes against sand. They only seem to notice speakers and gross distortion but even this may be an unsubstantiated claim.
 
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I propose that DIYAudio eliminate antagonism by blowhards on all sides by either:

1) banning all unsubstantiated claims or

2) banning all complaints and challenges against unsubstantiated claims

Everyone prefers what they prefer, whether they know the proper reason for their preference or not.
 
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Brett said:
Even after being repeatedly asked you never come up with anything substantial. You are a blowhard who has nothing substantive to say or add about the subject. .
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Totally wrong.... as usual.

I am probably the ONLY person who has come up with a suggestion as to how the dbt advocates can, maybe, perhaps, prove that their shonky tests are worthwhile, but not one of you has shown one ounce of initiative to attempt any sort of standardisation or sensitivity test.. you just ignore it, and expect me to come up with something to solve YOUR problems....

not only do you want my help to solve the problem, but you want me to implement it for you.. gees, get real !!
 
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Andy G said:


Totally wrong.... as usual.

I am probably the ONLY person who has come up with a suggestion as to how the dbt advocates can, maybe, perhaps, prove that their shonky tests are worthwhile, but not one of you has shown one ounce of initiative to attempt any sort of standardisation or sensitivity test.. you just ignore it, and expect me to come up with something to solve YOUR problems....

not only do you want my help to solve the problem, but you want me to implement it for you.. gees, get real !!
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Bollocks. Lots of mouthing of, but I am yet to see any substance. Links please or STFU. You have been asked REPEATEDLY.

Lets see if you come up with anything this time. I doubt it though as you are full of hot air.
 
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analog_sa said:



Hi Frank.

In defence of scientists i have to admit they are pretty consistent in their opinions. The same bunch who don't hear cables also do not hear capacitors, resistors, digital sources, opamps, absolute phase or tubes against sand. They only seem to notice speakers and gross distortion but even this may be an unsubstantiated claim.
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One simple question

Which recording from 1970 to 1995 was done without polarized tantalum capacitors, hundreds or thousands polarized electrolytics, hundreds or thousands of cheap Opamps like 5532, TL072 or 4560 and 100 or 1000 meters of non oxygenfree cables in the signal chain.

Should be easy for you to answer.
 
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jogi59 said:
Which recording from 1970 to 1995 was done without polarized tantalum capacitors, hundreds or thousands polarized electrolytics, hundreds or thousands of cheap Opamps like 5532, TL072 or 4560 and 100 or 1000 metres of non oxygen free cables in the signal chain.
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Maybe a Grateful Dead track or two! Ask John Curl.
 
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jogi59 said:

One simple question

Which recording from 1970 to 1995 was done without polarized tantalum capacitors, hundreds or thousands polarized electrolytics, hundreds or thousands of cheap Opamps like 5532, TL072 or 4560 and 100 or 1000 meters of non oxygenfree cables in the signal chain.

Should be easy for you to answer.
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Almost all of them. From where does this bizarre notion of standard console architecture and usage derive?
 
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