I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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You guys are arguing against the validilty of DBTs to argue against them would imply you have a better appoarch.

Bending the truth to unlock an argument again? Most of us are complaining about the way most DBT's are done and the results then dished up as 'evidence'. For example, just use a set of Gedlee's speakers and all amplifiers sound the same, not even talking about cables. ;)

We already had the discussion about the conscious and unconscious mind, right? You can't control your unconscious mind but maybe audiophilia can :)

I believe the unconscious mind is teachable though.
 
How does a wire add signal-correlated noise? Bit of a stretch there.

Already explained higher up. Since you missed it, I'll set it out again. Wires let in RF, RF ingress intermodulates with signal to give a varying noisefloor. So its not the wire itself which adds the signal correlated noise, the addition comes from non-linearities in the input stage.


You guess wrong, this only happens on the almost useless single ended noise reduction systems. (people should stop guessing )

Oh dear, seems you've really not been following at all.:D If you'd like me to correct your faulty thinking, just set out the steps you used to come up with your statement above.
 
Hah, there is zero corelation back to cable discussion. I was making the assumption you would help me understand it better but so far it seems my original point about "audiophile Spin" holds true.

'Seems' being the operative word here. If you're having trouble understanding, the traditional approach is to ask. Assuming only makes an *** of U and ME.
 
How does highlighting the short comings of a DBT imply knowledge of a better method? That is a connection you made in your imaginary world that seems to slip out quite often. Why debate a topic using large gaps in your logic and reading perception?

Why don't you point out those short comings to Toole, Olive, etc in a publication?

The only gap that is constant is the audiophile tendancy to somehow confuse imagination with real in room response. Its all cool to do that for enjoyment, its useless when it comes to audio discussion about audible differences.

I do not have an imaginary world because I am not an audiophile! (That is a nasty term in the world I live in).
 
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Out of your realm of knowledge, I'm afraid...

Do think so. It's rather trivial, really. Use the right flux, understand the metallurgy, do your homework... lots of references all over the 'net.
Never claimed to know metallurgy, but if it makes you feel better.... Good point. I guessed, given the rest of that account's content, 'soldering' meant typical electronic soldering. Maybe they had the specialized fluxes and solders just sitting around. From the orignal account:

Keeping us blind folded, my brother switched out the Belden wire (are you ready for this) with simple coat hanger wire! Unknown to me and our 12 audiophile buddies, prior to the ABX blind test, he took apart four coat hangers, reconnectd them and twisted them into a pair of speaker cables. Connections were soldered. He stashed them in a closet within the testing room so we were not privy to what he was up to. This made for a pair of 2 meter cables, the exact length of the other wires.

And imagine the ninja stealth that enabled them to swap out speaker cables with rattling coat hangers with no one in the room any the wiser!
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I guess the obviousness... stuns me. If there's a change in audible levels of noise, then there's a change in audible levels of noise. Blinding the listener won't, errr, change that.

Ah, OK. I was taking it as read that the noise level changes wrought by cables would not be at all obvious, or we'd not be up to 14k posts here. The lines I was thinking along would be that the noise itself might be so low-level and/or broadband as not to be perceived as noise by the brain, but it might impede perception of other low level signals such as reverberation tails. Modulation noise on analog tape for example is not perceived as noise as it tends to be masked by the signal itself.
 
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