I agree,and also ask the moderators if they decide to give Curly a second chance,to make them selves clear that,this second chance for Curly,may as well be taken as the last chance for all of us that will behave like Doomlord and other similars again.
Discipline must centre on equity of treatment. There are plenty of examples of far worse behaviour on this and other threads most of which has gone unchallenged. Those who purposely and continuously bait and antagonize and revert to acute sarcasm are the people who need the disciplinary action .
So like the relevance of Curly being a tech for TI and "hearing cables", the relevance of beating a pie pan while someone listens on a phone/tying a bag of rocks to cables...and aerospace engineering...is what?
IOW, resistance, the R part of RLC, explained the (audible) soundfield change.
Well, that doesn't sound too mystical and otherworldly, unbeknown to science (yet) type stuff.
Far too boring and rational an explanation to be accepted by the believers. It's that "something else" we're looking for here in the thread, although bizarrely only in the electro-acoustic, rather than psychological domain.
That is an important point, this is a test mentioned here a while ago that showed no difference between either end of speaker cables when connected to a resistive load but connected to a speaker, everything changed.
Loudspeakers: Effects of amplifiers and cables - Part 5 | Audio DesignLine
No I think all here are big enough to discuss differences like adults, no need for insulting or provocative posts. I do believe we can learn from each other, especially when we have different opinions.
Why?
I don't see how Mr. Woods had anything more to add. He resolutely and repeatedly refused to discuss any counter views, other than to rephrase them in disparaging terms, then proceed to state he had no intention of thinking or doing anything different than he already did.
That's fine, seems everyone knows his position, what else to post? he absolutely refused to accept any alternative positions. Nothing else to offer than repetition. Threads gonna die in a couple days anyway...
I don't see how Mr. Woods had anything more to add. He resolutely and repeatedly refused to discuss any counter views, other than to rephrase them in disparaging terms, then proceed to state he had no intention of thinking or doing anything different than he already did.
That's fine, seems everyone knows his position, what else to post? he absolutely refused to accept any alternative positions. Nothing else to offer than repetition. Threads gonna die in a couple days anyway...
While that hardly made him unique on either side of the issue I suggest - at least to those who care about an honest discussion - there's little more to be gained wasting valuable posts rehashing it. Maybe the mods prefer a "Moderating 2: Curly's Revenge" thread elsewhere. 😀
André,
goodlooking power amp.
(nice cable collection too)
Maestro Audio - Maestro A220 Monoblock amplifiers inside
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Did not JC say tha geoff kait is an aerospace engineer??
If so, he thinks we should all automatically be 'reverential' because of someones 'qualifications'?
Since when does a qualification immunise someone against idiocy?
Thanks simon. I think i had most of it, but what I really meant was in light of what I quoted (and now your explanation-thanks) should the test be between interconnects or speaker cable. You originally suggested ICs, the quote tended to suggest that cables were more significant, hence more readily get a result.
I was not very clear, hope a little clearer now.
Well so did I actually.
BUT, that is part of human nature ain't it?! We always 'cheer' members of our own team, and boo the opposition team.
MOST who feel curly was wronged 'would be subjectivist', MOST who liked doomlords posts 'would be objectivist'...( obviously very general indeed, but just to make the point.)
Those that are pretty fair to both sides are the ones that get my admiration.🙂
rdf is kinda right tho, NONE of us has changed their position one iota! So curly refusing to budge is not unique in that sense.
I would like to point out one thing tho in contradistinction to rdf's observation. At least we 'cable skeptics' are willing to conduct and be involved in a rational investigation into it.
It is hardly an indication of our intransigence if we cannot ever find a cable believer willing to do the test.
THAT is what separated, and continues to separate, the 'curlys' from 'us' and where rdf's observation fails.
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Hmm…yes and no.
The cable’s contribution to the overall resistance in the circuit of amplifier > cable > loudspeaker depends on the gauge of the wire, that’s true. Stranded copper wire of gauge 10 has a typical resistance per metre of 0.0067 ohms. For 18 gauge wire its 0.0483 ohms per metre. This shows the cable’s contribution to the overall circuit resistance is going to be negligible.
Solid state amps typically have output impedances of between 0.01 to 0.04 ohms. Combined with reasonable gauge cables that is not going to be enough to cause a change in the frequency response due to the amp/cable combination.
Of course, its very different if you use tubes. There, the output impedance is typically of the order of 0.7 to 3.3 ohms. So a change in the frequency response from the voltage drop across the combined amp output impedance and cable resistance would be expected.
The “warmth” commonly attributed to the sound of tube amps is most likely a variation from flat frequency response, caused by their high output impedance and the interaction with loudspeakers, where the loudspeaker's internal impedance can typically vary from 8 to 30 ohms over the audio frequency range.
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Yes, what you do is add a .5 ohm resistor in series with your sold state power amp wire, and you get an instant 'warm' sounding power amp. Why don't you try it? That should make tubes obsolete from now on.
I agree with this 110%. cables are just as important as your mics / console what have you.. no cables.. no audio.. I find that a lot of people spend too much money on them though.. building your own cables is cheap and sometimes the best way to give yourself a little break from recording/ mixing They can also come out just as good I feel if you are decent at soldering.. this also makes you know which of your cables are better than others... i.e. the ones you did a crappy solder job on = crappier cables..
10ft mic cable = 12 bucks if you do it yours..
Just did a quick Google search, found this from a cable manufacturer's site:
"unshielded audio control and instrumentation cable 16 awg stranded 19 x 29 tinned copper · insulation outer jacket pvc · ul1685 ft4 flame test · nominal inductance 0.184µh/ft · color chrome · nominal capacitance 16.4pf/ft · max operating voltage 300vrms"
Hope this helps.
I did it before Carver. I did it with tubes, back in 1963, in order to get a damping factor of 1. Sounded best.
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