may as well do this
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/mult...make-difference-any-input-78.html#post1773558
wonder why when bconnor did it it didn't work for me?? oh well.
and why does mine work...maybe only on my computer? hopefully it now works for all..
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/mult...make-difference-any-input-78.html#post1773558
wonder why when bconnor did it it didn't work for me?? oh well.
and why does mine work...maybe only on my computer? hopefully it now works for all..
boconnor, thanks for digging that up. I'm on travel at the moment, so my on-line time is rather limited.
I'll test you, you test me and then we will publish the results.:🙂
As long as we fully detail the procedure, and successfully account for any confounding factors we need to (a la SY's protocol) then it will be a robust result!, and the first and only proper test to come out of 10000 posts,
hey! if we time it right it might even BE the 10 000th post.
If we need one more person to make sure it is done correctly, then I am sure we can count on brett.
Unless andy g comes in before hand.
I would offer to test the cables but I don't really use anything RCA anymore. Everything is 1/4"
Hmm. I thought we agreed, but now I doubt it. The test definitely was NOT DB, because the administrator's *knowledge* of the group's IQ was able to influence the outcome, hence this shows the need to have an administrator who has no prior knowledge whatsoever hence the need for DB testing.
jd
can you explain the point janneman?? I have no idea what is being discussed with that quote. I must either be missing something really simple, or really I am something simple.
I would not have asked, I though it was done and dusted, but now that you have resurrected it could you at least let me understand what is being discussed??
rdf seems to be of the opinion that the 'IQ' test was DB. It wasn't; it was to demonstrate the need for DB.
In the 'IQ' test the admin 'knew' the relative intelligence of the groups and that influenced the outcome. Wheter that knowledge was communicated verbally to the groups or not is beside the point. The point is that the sole fact that the admin was prejudiced skewed the outcome.
jd
just as I said myself then??
For sure, that is how I read it too. The IQ test thing simply demonstrated the NEED for dbt.
As I wrote in my modified version.....one of those gestalt things..look at it in a different way and 'all of a sudden the alternative view pops up'.
Otherwise, I simply cannot see it the way rdf says.
For sure, that is how I read it too. The IQ test thing simply demonstrated the NEED for dbt.
As I wrote in my modified version.....one of those gestalt things..look at it in a different way and 'all of a sudden the alternative view pops up'.
Otherwise, I simply cannot see it the way rdf says.
Any suggestion or link?
Ai Terry, that remark was for the way DBT's (that I've read about) were done by the big guys with white coats. The same tests that are often named here to serve as proof for 'everything 🙂 sound the same'.
I didn't ask about poorly conducted tests (and you still, presumably, haven't actually read any of the published papers), that's your statement, not mine.
I'll ask again, what sonic insight do you get by peeking? If the answer is, "none," then why not do a real controlled test, become the Famous Andre Visser, a darling of the audio world, the toast of the high end, the guy who put it to all those skeptics, instead of the Andre Visser Who Is Just One More Internet Personality Who Makes Fantastic and Unsupported Claims?
OK to answer you, none at all.
I wanted to do a test based on your protocol, then "nobody said there are no differences between cables" and cables of same RLC 🙄 got mentioned. After that I've even tried to measure cables (all good quality) to get some with similar RLC values. That measurements were questioned also, so I just gave up the whole idea as a waste of time. I don't feel an urge to proof anything to the world, I do it for myself, I'm willing to help though if its not just a waste of time.
You see that is the interesting part, the one making insults openly only get binned for a week, the one on the wrong side of the fence get banned and I can't recall one insult made by him. If I was Curly, I would have taken a plane and bliksem him. As Scar from Lion King say "life's not fair". 😉
I for one noticed that the tone and usefullness of this thread has immensely improved after C and D were gone. So in that sense it was a good decision. Lets see what happens when D gets released.
And indeed, life's not fair, why should it? So, no use to 'fight the problem'.
jd
You're doing your best to make the problem much bigger than it is. If you have a competent source (e.g., not a preamp with 50k output impedance!) and wires that are not pathological (e.g., unshielded or having 2k of series resistance), the RLC for a 1 or 2 meter run really won't matter much.
Now go do a real test.
Well, I have a build thread with my speakers. But in any case, audio is very subjective. I think mine are *pretty damn good*, but that does not mean jack **** really!!
Anyway, mine are PHL based, PHL are pro drivers. I imagine there are other drivers with similar attributes. The attributes that are of particular importance to me? dynamics, speed punch and detail.
The bug in the ointment? I also use a deqx. The contribution of that unit is significant.
I forgot to mention in my reply to bud, even tho it was the 'continuing education of curly', I had no doubt that you were not labouring under the same miscomprehensions as curly was. To that degree it was 'tongue in cheek'.
I too feel a little sad that curly took the ultimate dive. Make no mistake, I think he was pretty damned wrong headed and very wrong, but he was sincere and (according to his own lights) genuine.
I can only imagine a few posts got quietly deleted...as what I saw was not that bad at all.
TBH I didn't see many insults from either side...unless it happened while I was asleep.
Are the wallabies gonna bliksem the boks??
Andre, a list of the good recordings that can be used for cable hearing/testing?
The good equipment?
The good equipment?
AJ for comparitive testing purposes I only use a few CD's that I know very well (that is the boring part of comparative testing for me). I use the Holly Cole Trio - don't smoke in bed (CDP7811982), the Sheffield drum&track disc - track 5 and 6, then I have a compilation that were made for displaying purposes of a system at some big hi-fi show in Europe. Unfortunately I know very little about the music on it, my favourites on that are one with male voice going lower than I thought possible and a solo guitar player which sound like he have six hands 🙂. Also good are Sounds of Wood & Steel - Windham Hill, Diana Krall also have good recordings. I think that will give you an idea. Other suggestions would be appreciated.
Regarding my system, not that repeatable, my CD Player is a seriously modified Marantz CD63KI, the rest made by me. I use 220W classA monoblock MOSFET amplifiers, a balanced dual mono pre-amp, mostly jfet and my speakers are 2.5way TL's using Seas Excel 7" magnesium cone drivers with Millenium tweeters, XO's with Goertz foil coils, Hovland and Sonicap capacitors.
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