I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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Curly Woods said:
Then save your snide remarks for those that want to hear them and play your childish games. I will not accept them as anything other than a slander.
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Reread my statements and then imagine Bambi is saying it. I am not saying these things with any emotion or snideness. You on the other hand sheeeeesh.

I actually regard a salesman to be a needed profession. You can help someone who wants something that will bring pleasure to there life justify that purchase. Because for some people "that piece of gear looks cool and sounds great" isn't justification enough. I am not attacking your profession in anyway. But I do think the term "close a customer" came from somewhere and it relates to boxing them in with logic.
 
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doug20 said:
Anyone here heard of Tom Nousaine?

Here are some of his tests

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx_wire.htm

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx_data.htm

Here some other links for subjectivity and why some of you do not even realize how faulty your listening tests are.

http://sound.westhost.com/cables-p3.htm#interconnects

http://seanolive.blogspot.com/2009/05/harmans-how-to-listen-new-listener.html

http://www.ethanwiner.com/believe.html

http://seanolive.blogspot.com/2009/04/dishonesty-of-sighted-audio-product.html#comment-form

http://www.linkwitzlab.com/frontiers.htm#H
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And because these people have written articles, they are now the only source to be believed. Do you ever make decisions about anything without someone pointing you in which direction to go Doug?
 
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Curly Woods said:
And because these people have written articles, they are now the only source to be believed. Do you ever make decisions about anything without someone pointing you in the right direction Doug?
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I research, research and then I research. 30 years ago my dad taught me that if you believe something then you should challenge that belief when you can. You are an American so belief is strong (especially in the south) and the mantra most times in the US is that belief shouldnt be questioned!! (I was born Canadian).

Did you even read them before you spouted off again?

The Ethan Winer's link is an easy reason why some of you think you hear a difference with different cables because if you have ever measured a room you would realize that even inches off from the same listening position will create 5dB or more of difference.

I know you are not scientific so I doubt you remotely stand in the same spot during listening tests.

Do you know who Sean Olive is or maybe Harmon?

How about Roger Russell? http://www.roger-russell.com/
 
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doug20 said:
I research, research and then I research. 30 years ago my dad taught me that if you believe something then you should challenge that belief when you can.

Did you even read them before you spouted off again?

The Ethan Winer's link is an easy reason why some of you think you hear a difference with different cables because if you have ever measured a room you would realize that even inches off from the same listening position will create 5dB or more of difference.

I know you are not scientific so I doubt you remotely stand in the same spot during listening tests.

Do you know who Sean Olive is or maybe Harmon?

How about Roger Russell? http://www.roger-russell.com/
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I am very familiar with all of these articles. I am not saying that they do not have merit, but I do not base everything that I believe in something that someone else believes or produces results that support their claims. I have a brain and make my own conclusions based upon my experiences.

At some point I have to trust my ears and my brain. Science does not make the musical experience for me, what I hear from my systems does though.
 
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SY said:
doug: Come again? I'm an American who lives in the South so my "belief is strong?" Poor stereotyping.
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Im in the south too.....I guess its just what we are use too, never question belief. Its just something that doesnt happen.

Probably a poor stereotype but I can not think of any other logical reason why people do not want to learn something even if it changes what they have believed for 20 years.

Maybe it isnt a good discussion because it gets into the Religion thing but I can not think of anything else so similar to this discussion.

Unlike Curly I will change what I know if proof exists saying that there is an audible difference in cables so far I do not know of one valid expert that has run controlled tests and measurements that supports the opinion that someone like Curly holds.
 
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Curly Woods said:
I am very familiar with all of these articles. I am not saying that they do not have merit, but I do not base everything that I believe in something that someone else believes or produces results that support their claims. I have a brain and make my own conclusions based upon my experiences.

At some point I have to trust my ears and my brain. Science does not make the musical experience for me, what I hear from my systems does though.
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But how do you learn about audio? how do you really know for sure if you didnt double check your own tests?

Do you not believe that standing 1 foot to the left during a cable test would produce different results and therefore taint the results.

I just do not understand how you can be so stubborn and just think how you do your tests is 100% valid. It may be valid for just you and that is actually cool but if you are going to debate about cable difference don't you think you have to follow some scientific guidelines atleast a little bit?
 
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A thought on Passions cable test. Its interesting that an expirement that actually shows how little cables effect the signal transmision can be easly turned around to show "large differences" to people that dont understand the math, especialy if there looking for reasons. Same two words as for Hawksford "peer review".
 
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Curly Woods said:
Go ahead and show your ignorance. i love it when you people make fools of yourselves to try to turn this into a mudslinging event.
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Besides the agenta of the discussion, keep it civil, else I will have to give you some sin bin time. Not only you, to all who gonna follow such a tone.:cop:

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