No patents applied for or issued that I can find. The defense secret claims are... questionable.
edit: One issued earlier this year. 7,521,990
Patents don't stop competitors, lawyers do.
edit edit: that patent does NOT cover the soi disant Quantum Purifiers
Read it again, Curly. I will not pay for them unless there's evidence of efficacy. If they were free, sure, I'd give them a whirl.
I'm 100% in favor of subjective evaluation and have never said otherwise. If I thought I heard something where a positive response would be surprising, I'd try to repeat it with some controls. I trust very much what I hear (with qualification, of course- I'm not a young guy, and kissed 16kHz good bye some years ago), but since I'm a human, I know not to trust my brain's interpretation of it. That's why controls are necessary for establishing extraordinary claims.
I'm honest enough to admit that my brain can fool me; are you?
Exactly, if its such a revolutionary product why no interest from other fields where noise is a problem, telecoms, NASA, Radio Astronomy etc.
Yes Cy I am. If I really think that I do in fact hear something that I feel is an improvement, I live with it for a week, maybe more. Then I go back to what I replaced to see if it really existed or maybe I was just wishing for an improvement. I have found that at times the changes that I at first thought were a plus, wind up falling out of favor with some listening time. Capacitors take me a little longer to get the real truth as I "think" that they do change in the circuit, when first installed and often take longer than I normally expect to settle down (Teflons). I am not one to change something and then expect greatness to fall at my feet. I try to be subjective and live with things before making any rash opinions that I may regret later.
I am just try to find out how a person that trusts only what they have been taught, reacts in the presence of things that may not add up. Just trying to find a common ground that is not filled with innuendo or off handed remarks about ones intelligence.
I have been an avid audiophile, and have been involved in retail high end audio starting in 1980 until early 2000 and have been exposed to a great many things. I always try to be skeptical, but I have learned to trust my ears. I have rarely been betrayed, but again I do not trust anyone else's opinion about what I hear. If I hear it, I try to repeat the process to confirm that I did indeed hear what I thought that I heard. Sometimes I do not, but
I am man enough to admit that too.
Heres the crux of most of these discussions; "I" hear an improvement. Then some vague words to describe the difference. Its like looking at three shades of blue one after another and picking one as an improvement over another (even if there all the same, some people will still pick one of them as the best.) Thats why we need proper A/B blind testing. And all this proves is wether or not there is a difference, and what the most popullar blue (or amplifier) is. Not which one is actually technically better but which one people like. (and acording to some lots of distortion is popular these days, thanks in part to MP3s)
Vague as in what? If I hear an improvement in soudstage width, height and/or depth, how is that vague? If I hear that low level details are more "audible" and distinct, is that vague? Subtle differences are magnified when they are removed and you no longer hear them, at least in my experiences. As far as DBT, I never listen to my system with a blindfold on so why would I want to do this to satisfy people that can not or choose not to hear the things that I do and enjoy.
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Hi,
Is there any machine out there that acurately measures soundstage?
I'm still waiting for a piece of gear that proves me beyond any doubt that what I'm hearing is actually exactly what you're hearing too.
Different brains yield different perceptions, or do they?
Cheers, 😉
Is there any machine out there that acurately measures soundstage?
I'm still waiting for a piece of gear that proves me beyond any doubt that what I'm hearing is actually exactly what you're hearing too.
Different brains yield different perceptions, or do they?
Cheers, 😉
And even if they are different, then many people will not be able to tell the difference.
This analogy cuts to the crux of the whole discussion !
I could care less what any machine had to say. I trust my ears as I listen to music with them, learned to speak because of them and they tell me everything that a machine never could 🙂 Try it sometime, it might open some eyes!
I don't know about your friends, but I have been at listening events where we wrote what we heard down on paper and compared notes afterwards. There were similarities than differences.
And even if they are different, then many people will not be able to tell the difference.
This analogy cuts to the crux of the whole discussion !
Why does there have to be a "best"? What is best for one may not be best for all. That is a personal opinion based upon what we like and dislike in the way that we perceive music and its representation.
Audiophiles are hobbyists and listening for differences is the motive force and raison d' etre of this hobby. We span from avid music lovers who look to find the most involving sound and had contracted audiophilia along the way, to diyers and professionals, also for the same reason, or just because we like to involve with tech and we get to know music more as a side benefit along the way.
Take out the controversy and it ain't a passion anymore. It will deflate. A studio engineer can do OK with a pair of good monitors for years, a Phd tech will give real notice only to a new solid state physics manufacturing evolution that leads to objectively better behaving parts once a decade, or the odd more efficient circuitry trick published and peer reviewed. And try to tame it. Few in between these days the objective news, it is an old, mostly covered tech sector with no sane professional engineering motive compared to what is hot out there and fetches the dollar bills. OK, what the average Joe does for his hobby day in day out then? Plays of course.
If we accept that individual experience and conviction form the core joy of almost all hobbies that lean to artistic elements, we may see that not just anybody who listens to gear, can have the same approach with those who design the gear or diy the gear. Someone who can efficiently manipulate an elegant circuit can't have the same cornerstones of approach to performance as someone who is just mixing it with other ready made gear, or a diyer that tinkers with its physical execution. Not even having remotely the same technical education or general backgrounds most of us.
Pure engineering is sanity, pure audiophilia is audio's life. I personally don't think that audiophiles are fooled, some of us are wired to be more religious than others and we enjoy it, others we feel comfortable out in the cold. There is NASA and God still around. Both popular. Because its a human affair. Let it be. We must air our views, but not try to save fools. Its a nice hobby. Play the most you can, try not to buy expensive toys when you can test them through DIY way cheaper. Plus we can argue our brains out for free here.
Addictive.😀 Peace brothers.
And play some more music, its our glue, no matter the approach we reproduce it. Listen to a wise man that died early. Could do something practical about it but he wouldn't. Fool? Nahh, just differently wired.
Take out the controversy and it ain't a passion anymore. It will deflate. A studio engineer can do OK with a pair of good monitors for years, a Phd tech will give real notice only to a new solid state physics manufacturing evolution that leads to objectively better behaving parts once a decade, or the odd more efficient circuitry trick published and peer reviewed. And try to tame it. Few in between these days the objective news, it is an old, mostly covered tech sector with no sane professional engineering motive compared to what is hot out there and fetches the dollar bills. OK, what the average Joe does for his hobby day in day out then? Plays of course.
If we accept that individual experience and conviction form the core joy of almost all hobbies that lean to artistic elements, we may see that not just anybody who listens to gear, can have the same approach with those who design the gear or diy the gear. Someone who can efficiently manipulate an elegant circuit can't have the same cornerstones of approach to performance as someone who is just mixing it with other ready made gear, or a diyer that tinkers with its physical execution. Not even having remotely the same technical education or general backgrounds most of us.
Pure engineering is sanity, pure audiophilia is audio's life. I personally don't think that audiophiles are fooled, some of us are wired to be more religious than others and we enjoy it, others we feel comfortable out in the cold. There is NASA and God still around. Both popular. Because its a human affair. Let it be. We must air our views, but not try to save fools. Its a nice hobby. Play the most you can, try not to buy expensive toys when you can test them through DIY way cheaper. Plus we can argue our brains out for free here.
Addictive.😀 Peace brothers.And play some more music, its our glue, no matter the approach we reproduce it. Listen to a wise man that died early. Could do something practical about it but he wouldn't. Fool? Nahh, just differently wired.
Hi,
Welcome to the world of the subjective.
Q: You are aware that the lifestyle we'll require from you is quite restrictive, aren't you?
A: Yes.
Q: We've prescribed a finely tuned diet for you so your brain can perform at peak performance. You do accept this?
A: Yes.
Q: Fine. We'll now assign you to a condo of ours. You're not allowed to see your kids nor your wife. You'll just keep to the diet and concentrate on the music, yes?
A; Errrr....Yes.
Q: Good. Here are the Omega 3, 6 and 9 supplements already...
A: Errrr....So, what about the cables then?
Q: Silence.........
Cheers, 😉
Welcome to the world of the subjective.
Q: You are aware that the lifestyle we'll require from you is quite restrictive, aren't you?
A: Yes.
Q: We've prescribed a finely tuned diet for you so your brain can perform at peak performance. You do accept this?
A: Yes.
Q: Fine. We'll now assign you to a condo of ours. You're not allowed to see your kids nor your wife. You'll just keep to the diet and concentrate on the music, yes?
A; Errrr....Yes.
Q: Good. Here are the Omega 3, 6 and 9 supplements already...
A: Errrr....So, what about the cables then?
Q: Silence.........
Cheers, 😉
Hello Curly,without machines,alot of our understanding or the world and universe would not exist.Is you hearing so good that we have no need for solar?I'm an amateur astronomer with 40/20 vision but i can never see the red,yellows and greens in m57.It's all grey,but a cheap camera or webcam can pick up a 1000% more details than i can, no matter how well i train my vision
You do realize that a DBT does not mean put a blindfold on 🙄
Any properly listening test requires a person to control all external influences. This includes PRICE, BRAND NAME, LOOKS. The ONLY way to control those influences is to actually remove them from the listening experience.
You do that then you have a valid opinion on what is actually different.
I always offer $$$$ for anyone to actually prove there is an audible difference, 20 years later and no one can do it....imagine that 😉
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