fdegrove said:
You're mixing things up Frank.The difference between live and reproduced music is hugely more than time and space. Even if you get time and space perfectly reproduced, it's still a far cry from live.
jd
fdegrove said:
Hi Frank,
Did you realize that you quoted and replied to my posts twice? And I thought it was boring .... !😉
jd
Key said:
Peter Walker is also on record saying that he didn't as a rule listen to his designs as part of the design proces. He once remarked that the first time he heard one of his designs was when they gave him an early production model.
jd
fredex said:
Sorry, my experience differ, I've said earlier I like to give a friend something to test and then compare his comments with what I've heard, I can't remember once that we disagreed.
Surely there may be different opinions on the same cable, the preferred cable will be system dependant. I used to think silver cables sound bright, I later realised it showed a problem in my system, now my favourite cable by far is silver.
SY said:
The Quad speakers and tube amps may explain why you are happy with lawnmower cable. 😀
According to me, Linkwitz care a lot about what his speakers sound like.
I would say Marantz equipment are very much driven by their sound.
The rest I don't know.
fredex said:
That explains a lot. 😀
janneman said:
I seem to remember Peter Baxandall saying a similar thing in a letter to some rabid subjectivist in a Wireless World issue. I remember being quite shocked at this, as at that time I was myself a rabid subjectivist. Yes I was a little like someone who feels that science has missed the boat, and instead of listening, is obsessed with measurements that mean nothing.
Now I can put it down to the folly of youth, but to be perfectly honest, sometimes I secretly think that the subjectivists are actually having a lot more fun. I mean they have no rules, it seems, to bind them. They have total freedom from all those rigid laws of physics that bind the rest of us poor souls. Oh to be free again . . . . . now where are those magic pebbles? 😉
Andre Visser said:
Are you just being a little playful, or really stupid? Without knowing what cables I use you know nothing. 😀
fredex said:
Just really stupid. 😉
Let me put it this way, I like class A for more reasons than lack of crossover distortion. 😀
I believe this statement only applied to the Quad II amps. He was quoted in an interview as saying he designed them using only an oscilloscope. He basically skipped the last step for a good design and it shows. I can't imagine anyone putting speakers on the market without listening to them.
John
Andre Visser said:
Yeah I know, "Class A" sounds so much better than "Class D".
But back to your cables two questions.
1. Does the type of amp affect your cable choices?
2. Have you tried soaking them in Linseed Oil, and if not why not?
jlsem said:
I am glad he did that because unless his ears/preferences were the same as mine he could have ruined the sound for me, and others.
Well, yes, doesn't anyone who is designing speakers? The difference is that he's achieved a sound quality that, to those who have heard it under better conditions than I have, is perhaps the best currently achievable in the home.
He has done this using purely scientific principles which you, yet again, define as, "in ignorance of what people can hear and how they hear it." Do I need to put up the Inigo Montoya clip again?
Linkwitz's stuff sounds as good as it does because he designs it with a firm grasp of how the human ear/brain system works and what rooms do to sound, not by pataphysics and invocation of voodoo.
janneman said:
He is also on record as stating that all amplifiers properly designed sound the same!!
Plus he used to demo his system by having a natural, real instrument play and then play a recording claiming that there was no discernible difference in the sound!!!!
I suspect he was possibly a better illusionist/delusionist and marketeer than designer!
fredex said:
I would say your system will affect your cable choice, for example if a system sound bright it is possible to 'fix' it with cables. (Note the 'fix', the best way to build a good sounding system is to use equipment that don't need fixes.)
Linseed oil? I know they say it is good for wood. What would the reason be apart from lubricating the surface electrons, smoother sound perhaps? 😀
Joking apart, I've read about oil capacitors, never listened to them so I don't know what to think about it. I do believe what happen around a conductor is just as important as the conductor quality (if not more). Might be interesting, what do you think?
Yes, I have been reluctant to repeat this for fear of breaking Forum rules on repetition of the same message.Andre Visser said:
It's not the cables that are "improving" the sound quality.
It's the effect of the cables complex reactances that affect the equipment connected to either end, that changes the sound.
SY said:
Sorry SY, I've read your original post again, I guess I got sidetracked by a few posts where designers claim to 'not listen to their designs'.
SY said:
To the contrary, that is why I mentioned him, he is quite aware of how we hear, and design according to that, perhaps the reason for his success.
SY said:
Exactly, unlike some that rather try to convince you that you can't believe what you hear. 😉
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