Terry j
No,I did not mean you were exagerating things.By exageration I mean that many see things as only black and white,or,if someone believes in cable differences they automatically imply that he has spent thousands on his cables.They either really see only black and white(either DIY or thousands of $ ) or they intentionally use irony to kill someone's opinion .In either case,IMO,not a serious behaviour at all.Perhaps,if all of us HONESTLY say which and how many cables we have tried,will show that many here might have not tried a single cable.Is this important?IMO yes,and I believe that being familiar with what's available and testing extensively to see what's going on,is what Andre might mean by trained,among other things,as to know a few things about music(Andre insists on unamplified instruments/voices-but no one has yet commended on this).I don't know about forum members,but I know of many who have no idea about music,yes,"audiophiles "and engineers.Haven't you ever heard to a friends house/system a violin for example at crazy levels????? 🙂 As for someone attacking the price of a cable,I have no problem whatsoever.In fact,I understand itand agree if you like.I also believe that many of my DIY cables are better than many famous ready-made,and I'm still using them,among them an experimental unshielded tonearm cable,(No problems with RF etc where I live)an I'm happy with it🙂 I really hope you don't mean I was implying anything for Mike or the switcher.What I would comment on however,is that "copying" a cable,chances that it will "sound"similar to the "original"are many.When I sugested few posts earlier that you or any other make a DIY cable to mimick TG's prefered cable,I didn't mean to "copy"it.What I meant and that's why I considered it as a challenge for the DIY,was to take measurements of TG's prefered cable and without copying its construction,geometry etc,try to make one as you like to measure the same as TG's.
Where I live we don't have as far as I know professional switchers so I'm not sure if I understood well that this is his profession.However,I have no reason not to believe/accept what you said about both,Mike and the switcher.Only thing I conclude,is that Mike has failed to hear cable differences in his system and room.Not the first and I believe not the last.As for the valitity of any test and the way it is conducted,we all have our views.For me,I might need to listen a full side of a well known record,and doing this for 20 times,this is nearly 7 hours not counting the time of swapping cables,which in the case of our test here,we were switching the system completely off during all cable changes.That is why we agreed 6 times was enough.
No,I did not mean you were exagerating things.By exageration I mean that many see things as only black and white,or,if someone believes in cable differences they automatically imply that he has spent thousands on his cables.They either really see only black and white(either DIY or thousands of $ ) or they intentionally use irony to kill someone's opinion .In either case,IMO,not a serious behaviour at all.Perhaps,if all of us HONESTLY say which and how many cables we have tried,will show that many here might have not tried a single cable.Is this important?IMO yes,and I believe that being familiar with what's available and testing extensively to see what's going on,is what Andre might mean by trained,among other things,as to know a few things about music(Andre insists on unamplified instruments/voices-but no one has yet commended on this).I don't know about forum members,but I know of many who have no idea about music,yes,"audiophiles "and engineers.Haven't you ever heard to a friends house/system a violin for example at crazy levels????? 🙂 As for someone attacking the price of a cable,I have no problem whatsoever.In fact,I understand itand agree if you like.I also believe that many of my DIY cables are better than many famous ready-made,and I'm still using them,among them an experimental unshielded tonearm cable,(No problems with RF etc where I live)an I'm happy with it🙂 I really hope you don't mean I was implying anything for Mike or the switcher.What I would comment on however,is that "copying" a cable,chances that it will "sound"similar to the "original"are many.When I sugested few posts earlier that you or any other make a DIY cable to mimick TG's prefered cable,I didn't mean to "copy"it.What I meant and that's why I considered it as a challenge for the DIY,was to take measurements of TG's prefered cable and without copying its construction,geometry etc,try to make one as you like to measure the same as TG's.
Where I live we don't have as far as I know professional switchers so I'm not sure if I understood well that this is his profession.However,I have no reason not to believe/accept what you said about both,Mike and the switcher.Only thing I conclude,is that Mike has failed to hear cable differences in his system and room.Not the first and I believe not the last.As for the valitity of any test and the way it is conducted,we all have our views.For me,I might need to listen a full side of a well known record,and doing this for 20 times,this is nearly 7 hours not counting the time of swapping cables,which in the case of our test here,we were switching the system completely off during all cable changes.That is why we agreed 6 times was enough.
Hey TerryO. I didn't know that room belonged to Mike. Wow! Had read that article some time back, was suitably jealous and let it go at that. =) Did not realize I had met the man.
FYI for others. The Puget Sound audio boys put on a good show. It's got to be one of the top audio clubs in the world. I was lucky enough to go to their recent biennial speaker contest. Extremely well run and very fair. A great set-up. Other clubs and audio societies could learn a few things from them. Not only that, it's a lot of fun.
Just my 2 cents.
FYI for others. The Puget Sound audio boys put on a good show. It's got to be one of the top audio clubs in the world. I was lucky enough to go to their recent biennial speaker contest. Extremely well run and very fair. A great set-up. Other clubs and audio societies could learn a few things from them. Not only that, it's a lot of fun.
Just my 2 cents.
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Wow this thread is alive and well. To address the original question I think that as far as the sound of cables is concerned it is a very low level effect at the very limits of human hearing ability. So why all the reports of huge differences? I am happy to admit that in my own experience "believing is hearing". I have proved to my satisfaction that for years I was completely fooled by my own brain. The blind tests I did proved to me that instead of 'Golden Ears' I have a 'Golden Imagination'.
If I can imagine a difference where none exist, then I can also imagine that there is no difference when actually there is a difference. Round and round we go, the main thing is to have DIY fun.
Cheers.
If I can imagine a difference where none exist, then I can also imagine that there is no difference when actually there is a difference. Round and round we go, the main thing is to have DIY fun.
Cheers.
OK - I'll stick my neck out a little here and join the "yes, there is a difference" crowd.
I built cables here (DIY Cat 5, many others from scrounged parts - I'm a poor guy) - and they sounded... different. Quite good but... different. I've used lamp cord, romex, ought gauge, leads off two old busted welders... anything BUT high end cables simply because I can't afford them.
So... what do I know? I know the Romex didn't sound too bad, but was nothing to write home about. The DIYCAT5 were excellent, lamp cord generally sucked (too much power, not enough conductor) in my system and the heavy cables were my favs. They look cool - kind of an industrial thing - which goes with my DIY MTMs. They sound... fine. I don't really have a comment on them other than I'm happy.
The DIYCAT5 - well they were a fav for a while but... well they were essentially a cap across 2 speaker leads (measured capacitance was higher than I would have liked - essentially putting a cap in the crossover at input) and maybe that's what I heard? By sheer weight of copper I've used similar cables that sounded nothing like them.
Way early on there's a $99 vs $1099 CD player commend. Hogwash. There's a HUGE, Obvious difference in both build and sound quality. They also have noteworthy, non-esoteric, genuine, easilly-proven features (Better DA converters, better shielding, better wiring, better transport, etc). Sure high end cables will tell you the same thing - better quality and features... but at the end of the day they're a single pair of conductors. I doubt a CD maker would tell you that a better rubber / plastic coating on the outside of the player enhanced it's sound, or that your loudspeakers sound better because of the paint on them.
Perhaps it really does matter. If so, go enjoy your gear. I, for one can hear the first $100 in system wires... the next $200 is iffy and the thousands-plus I've seen in some setups I suppose I'm totally deaf to.
I built cables here (DIY Cat 5, many others from scrounged parts - I'm a poor guy) - and they sounded... different. Quite good but... different. I've used lamp cord, romex, ought gauge, leads off two old busted welders... anything BUT high end cables simply because I can't afford them.
So... what do I know? I know the Romex didn't sound too bad, but was nothing to write home about. The DIYCAT5 were excellent, lamp cord generally sucked (too much power, not enough conductor) in my system and the heavy cables were my favs. They look cool - kind of an industrial thing - which goes with my DIY MTMs. They sound... fine. I don't really have a comment on them other than I'm happy.
The DIYCAT5 - well they were a fav for a while but... well they were essentially a cap across 2 speaker leads (measured capacitance was higher than I would have liked - essentially putting a cap in the crossover at input) and maybe that's what I heard? By sheer weight of copper I've used similar cables that sounded nothing like them.
Way early on there's a $99 vs $1099 CD player commend. Hogwash. There's a HUGE, Obvious difference in both build and sound quality. They also have noteworthy, non-esoteric, genuine, easilly-proven features (Better DA converters, better shielding, better wiring, better transport, etc). Sure high end cables will tell you the same thing - better quality and features... but at the end of the day they're a single pair of conductors. I doubt a CD maker would tell you that a better rubber / plastic coating on the outside of the player enhanced it's sound, or that your loudspeakers sound better because of the paint on them.
Perhaps it really does matter. If so, go enjoy your gear. I, for one can hear the first $100 in system wires... the next $200 is iffy and the thousands-plus I've seen in some setups I suppose I'm totally deaf to.
Ok, some statement from a forum that shall remain nameless.
What does impedance matching have to do with powercords?
Impedance matching is afaik important for transmission of signal, but a 60Hz ac that gets converted into DC anyway?
What is this gentleman trying to say? I am a bit baffled.
Would you hire this "engineer" to design something that might actually work?
Now, that is the kind of statement that really pisses me off. If you had said "I perceive" huge differences, I could have said fine, maybe to your ears but not mine.
But to present subjective statements - which are nothing, and absolutely nothing else but the untested and anecdotal result of your perception - the ear/brain complex, you know - as objective truth, that is religion, and nothing else.
if my previous link work ,is clear all problem on impedance matching have amp/speaker transmission of signal
and the RFI on speaker cable came back on amp from feedback path, plus the reflection on cable ,is not magic sound of cable ,are real problem and different from system to system, ie the cable don't sound the same.
to avoid this build a Pass F1/F2 amp😀
the autor is Cyril Bateman....burn tre amp for test different cable,this are what cable can do.......
and the RFI on speaker cable came back on amp from feedback path, plus the reflection on cable ,is not magic sound of cable ,are real problem and different from system to system, ie the cable don't sound the same.
to avoid this build a Pass F1/F2 amp😀
the autor is Cyril Bateman....burn tre amp for test different cable,this are what cable can do.......
Hi Panikos. I think we all must have tried at least a single cable?? A bit quiet otherwise! Jokes aside, even tho (I think) I understand your point-if you have not tried many cables you cannot comment...something like that?-I'm not sure that it fully applies.
If you feel YOU want to try cables then go ahead, that is fine. But in an argument like this, it does not really apply. It is kinda like saying to Randi 'you cannot comment on psychics until you have used one' if you follow.
I do get your point and frustration with the constant 'pointing out of the price', and it's use as an attack. But TBH, and we have made this point that it might not apply to you DIY guys ok??-I hope you get that-even you it seems has an agreement with the actual rip off aspect of the cable sellers. Worse than that, along with the anti-scientific approach adopted (science does not know everything etc etc) they still somehow feel compelled to bolster their fraudulent claims by invoking pseudoscientific explanations! quantum tunnelling etc
It is in fact a defacto acknowledgement of the use and power of science! Else why use it to prop up fanciful claims? interesting eh?
I hope I don't misrepresent you, but the 'cable switcher' was an imaginary guy, a thought experiment. The question was 'could he pick that it had been changed based on sound only', the switcher bloke was not real.
Thank you ever so much for an honest and correct answer. TBH I did not think a 'cable believer' would answer that honestly, you proved me wrong.
See, it is always a one way street. 'You cannot extrapolate from the specific test to a general conclusion'. No, we can't. Correct. As more and more similar results accrue, we can be more and more confident of the next results, but never certain.
this true point is used by 'cable believers' falsely tho. Because on the flip side (except for you just then, hence my thanks) they will never accept a result 'as is'. The argument (as we have seen in the link about the test) will always revolve around how the test was flawed, how the actual use of a test will produce flawed answers.
We hardly ever come across the rational 'OK, I accept that the person did not hear a difference'. No, 'the test procedure was flawed', 'testing itself is flawed'.
Yet it is we that are accused of 'extrapolating results' etc. Yet in the next breath we could hear an admission that 'cable differences, tho they could be valuable and desirable, are of an essentially subtle nature'...yet never is a negative result accepted, there will always be a reason why the subtle effect was negated.
Can hardly be subtle eh?
We are all different in how we might go about a test, your way is not better or worse than Mikes way. Whatever you feel comfortable with.
Terry , what I meant about attacking the price of a cable.....was that as soon as someone-believer-says something he is automatically pushed up against the wall as if he has spent thousands on the cable.The word "thousands"comes out of many unbelievers mouth soooo easily,as if they know how much one spent on his cables.This is the annoying thing that I find is done in purpose and full of irony.Joke is one thing,irony that has as a target someone's/anyone's intelligence is another.I love jokes🙂 and I also know(you too I believe)how easy is for all to follow this attitude(of irony I mean) if they want to.I don't.
Terry,
Re: "science does not know everything"which is a comment I have also made,perhaps I should explain how I see it.First,let me say,I don't consider this comment as neither scientific or not scientific.It is a belief of mine,that science will give us more.This belief of mine,has to do with my "logic".As long as science "decides"to study something,there is a conclusion,which as long as it is proven,becomes a fact.Before that,if science-instead of studying said that's it,there is no more than that,then there would be no conclusion,no proof,no fact,therefore no progress.Cables for audio might not be a priority for science.Perhaps if other forms of cables to use for other purposes were a priority,we would have facts by now,as we already have for many uses.Do I want/wish/hope that science will someday prove that cables play a role in audio?No.Do I believe that some day science will prove it?Yes.
So,that comment from me at least,was not one against science.Just a belief.Hey,I believe in you scientists,why do you have a problem with that? 🙂 🙂 🙂
Re: "science does not know everything"which is a comment I have also made,perhaps I should explain how I see it.First,let me say,I don't consider this comment as neither scientific or not scientific.It is a belief of mine,that science will give us more.This belief of mine,has to do with my "logic".As long as science "decides"to study something,there is a conclusion,which as long as it is proven,becomes a fact.Before that,if science-instead of studying said that's it,there is no more than that,then there would be no conclusion,no proof,no fact,therefore no progress.Cables for audio might not be a priority for science.Perhaps if other forms of cables to use for other purposes were a priority,we would have facts by now,as we already have for many uses.Do I want/wish/hope that science will someday prove that cables play a role in audio?No.Do I believe that some day science will prove it?Yes.
So,that comment from me at least,was not one against science.Just a belief.Hey,I believe in you scientists,why do you have a problem with that? 🙂 🙂 🙂
Hi guys!!
I am not sure how it is in other countries, but often over here we can have a station message before the movie, you know, something like
'We wish to announce that the following contains violence, adult language, and the occasional sexual scene'.
I guess that is an easy way to stop people ringing up and complaining 'hey!! Your show contained violence, adult language, and the occasional sexual scene!' ha ha (tho I ring up and whinge, 'whaddya mean only the occasional sexual scene
)
Ok, so in the same spirit, 'I wish to announce that this post is long, dull and excrutiatingly painful'.
So no complaining yeah? Geez that was a long, dull and excrutiatingly painful post Terry. nah aa.
I think I have mentioned before that for me the appeal factor is the human nature side of it.
As such, I have long been aware of my role in all this,.. in this particular argument I have been 'doing my job', nothing more, nothing less.
It is the hat you wear, your job, 'the mask' if you will (Jim Carrey movie). Sure you wear the mask that befits your thoughts and beliefs, but it would be a mistake to think it was something more noble than a simple job.
But even if I have been aware of that for a while, I doubt that more than a few others would be aware that they are also under the same influences.
Remember the roadrunner and Wile E Coyote? there they are, constantly at each other, never letting up. (sound familiar?)
What the heck are they up to? and why do they not just simply drop it and give up?
Ahh, that is the big question innit?
Until one day we see the episode...there they are, together, chatting ...'how are you Frank?' 'Good thanks, how are you Bill? and the wife?' 'She has a bit of a cold, but other than that....'
WTF!
Then they step forward and bundy on! A bell rings somewhere, and they're OFF! One is trying to kill the other, and the other always seems to outsmart him.
At the end of the day, another bell goes and it's over! All this time we have been thinking they actually hate each other..no, it was their job!! It was NEVER meant to be that one would win and the other would lose, it is just an act! a stage show if you will, vaudeville.
A bit like this really. I have always known that I was 'just doing my job'.
Still, deep down you always had the faint hope that we are all actually communicating. that we were NOT just blindly holding and defending positions, but rather were trying together to get to the bottom of this interesting phenomenon.
But, and I mentioned this to Panikos, when it gets to the stage that a result like Mike Lavignes would not be accepted for what it is, leaving aside any inappropriate conclusions or extrapolation, but purely that the mere result would be debated and denied...well there is NO real actual desire to understand or get to the bottom of it is there?
It suddenly became clear how utterly pointless it is to discuss it. Personally? I would LOVE to do the test with Alex. Why not? Whatever happens, we (I) will have learnt something. But also i realised that few here are actually willing to learn, it is just chest thumping and bravado.
So I decided to 'bow out of the conversation, except for nailing down the collective protocol on the test with Alex'. That should do it I thought.
Arrrgghh, that would mean I would still have to read the pointless drivel in this thread tho! Damn it!
Ok, so I would start a thread where we ONLY discussed the doingness of the test, HOW could we all between us work out as robust a test as possible? After a little bit of pondering of that, another realisation.
(my working assumption, based on all tests done before, is that he would be unable to pick cables...could be wrong, but a fair place to start)...we announce the test results as null.
They would NOT be accepted! there would always be a reason! No matter that we all agreed beforehand, it would NOT be accepted. Something, somewhere would explain the null result.
for example (and this is where I think I actually screamed and fell to the ground) 'Synergy, how do we know that the interconnect was mating synergistically to the flux capacitor of the temporal bypass diode?'
I mean I have for a long time known I was 'wearing my hat' in this, but for the first time this realisation hit me.
THIS IS A TRAP!
I was suddenly in the fun house maze of mirrors, everywhere I looked was this distorted version of reality, there was no way to find the exit!
No matter hat happens, no matter how rationally any of this is ever investigated, there will always be a denial of it and the substitution of a distorted reality.
Even Alex (who I validated for wanting to give it a go) said something like 'it will not change my thoughts on it'.
Boy, what a relief to see the trap! Question, how do you design the best trap there is? Obvious, one where the person doesn't even realise he is in the trap!
the best bait for the trap? something that attracts the person, so HE can fall into it of his own free will! He has TRAPPED HIMSELF!
And does not even know it.
Boy, thank heavens I spotted this.
Not only am I out of this thread, I will not be starting a 'lets work out a cable test thread'.
Not only am I out of a 'lets work out a cable test thread', I am out of this forum.
Not only am I out of this forum, I am out of audio forums.
I HAVE enjoyed myself here, and I HAVE learned a lot, and enjoyed your company.
But I think my time is over. I want to be out of the audiophile madhouse, the hall of mirrors.
Heck, I want to get back to just enjoying music for music sakes (tho on a vastly better system than I could have ever dreamed of, due in part to YOUR help, so thanks) and get away form any sort of attention on any aspect of the system...which must be a natural result of participating in audio forums.
Remember, NO complaining about the bloody long boring post!! I did warn you!
SY...assuming you are still awake!..have yet to check (forgot before typing this post) can you please terminate my membership if the option does not exist in the personal setting?? thanks.
(Might send you a note to that effect...if I can find the right button somewhere)
Hey! good luck with your DIY adventures, and all the best ok!
see ya
EDIT just saw your post Panikos, thanks. You seem to be one of the good guys. cheers
PS andre go the wallabies!!
I am not sure how it is in other countries, but often over here we can have a station message before the movie, you know, something like
'We wish to announce that the following contains violence, adult language, and the occasional sexual scene'.
I guess that is an easy way to stop people ringing up and complaining 'hey!! Your show contained violence, adult language, and the occasional sexual scene!' ha ha (tho I ring up and whinge, 'whaddya mean only the occasional sexual scene
)Ok, so in the same spirit, 'I wish to announce that this post is long, dull and excrutiatingly painful'.
So no complaining yeah? Geez that was a long, dull and excrutiatingly painful post Terry. nah aa.
I think I have mentioned before that for me the appeal factor is the human nature side of it.
As such, I have long been aware of my role in all this,.. in this particular argument I have been 'doing my job', nothing more, nothing less.
It is the hat you wear, your job, 'the mask' if you will (Jim Carrey movie). Sure you wear the mask that befits your thoughts and beliefs, but it would be a mistake to think it was something more noble than a simple job.
But even if I have been aware of that for a while, I doubt that more than a few others would be aware that they are also under the same influences.
Remember the roadrunner and Wile E Coyote? there they are, constantly at each other, never letting up. (sound familiar?)
What the heck are they up to? and why do they not just simply drop it and give up?
Ahh, that is the big question innit?
Until one day we see the episode...there they are, together, chatting ...'how are you Frank?' 'Good thanks, how are you Bill? and the wife?' 'She has a bit of a cold, but other than that....'
WTF!
Then they step forward and bundy on! A bell rings somewhere, and they're OFF! One is trying to kill the other, and the other always seems to outsmart him.
At the end of the day, another bell goes and it's over! All this time we have been thinking they actually hate each other..no, it was their job!! It was NEVER meant to be that one would win and the other would lose, it is just an act! a stage show if you will, vaudeville.
A bit like this really. I have always known that I was 'just doing my job'.
Still, deep down you always had the faint hope that we are all actually communicating. that we were NOT just blindly holding and defending positions, but rather were trying together to get to the bottom of this interesting phenomenon.
But, and I mentioned this to Panikos, when it gets to the stage that a result like Mike Lavignes would not be accepted for what it is, leaving aside any inappropriate conclusions or extrapolation, but purely that the mere result would be debated and denied...well there is NO real actual desire to understand or get to the bottom of it is there?
It suddenly became clear how utterly pointless it is to discuss it. Personally? I would LOVE to do the test with Alex. Why not? Whatever happens, we (I) will have learnt something. But also i realised that few here are actually willing to learn, it is just chest thumping and bravado.
So I decided to 'bow out of the conversation, except for nailing down the collective protocol on the test with Alex'. That should do it I thought.
Arrrgghh, that would mean I would still have to read the pointless drivel in this thread tho! Damn it!
Ok, so I would start a thread where we ONLY discussed the doingness of the test, HOW could we all between us work out as robust a test as possible? After a little bit of pondering of that, another realisation.
(my working assumption, based on all tests done before, is that he would be unable to pick cables...could be wrong, but a fair place to start)...we announce the test results as null.
They would NOT be accepted! there would always be a reason! No matter that we all agreed beforehand, it would NOT be accepted. Something, somewhere would explain the null result.
for example (and this is where I think I actually screamed and fell to the ground) 'Synergy, how do we know that the interconnect was mating synergistically to the flux capacitor of the temporal bypass diode?'
I mean I have for a long time known I was 'wearing my hat' in this, but for the first time this realisation hit me.
THIS IS A TRAP!
I was suddenly in the fun house maze of mirrors, everywhere I looked was this distorted version of reality, there was no way to find the exit!
No matter hat happens, no matter how rationally any of this is ever investigated, there will always be a denial of it and the substitution of a distorted reality.
Even Alex (who I validated for wanting to give it a go) said something like 'it will not change my thoughts on it'.
Boy, what a relief to see the trap! Question, how do you design the best trap there is? Obvious, one where the person doesn't even realise he is in the trap!
the best bait for the trap? something that attracts the person, so HE can fall into it of his own free will! He has TRAPPED HIMSELF!
And does not even know it.
Boy, thank heavens I spotted this.
Not only am I out of this thread, I will not be starting a 'lets work out a cable test thread'.
Not only am I out of a 'lets work out a cable test thread', I am out of this forum.
Not only am I out of this forum, I am out of audio forums.
I HAVE enjoyed myself here, and I HAVE learned a lot, and enjoyed your company.
But I think my time is over. I want to be out of the audiophile madhouse, the hall of mirrors.
Heck, I want to get back to just enjoying music for music sakes (tho on a vastly better system than I could have ever dreamed of, due in part to YOUR help, so thanks) and get away form any sort of attention on any aspect of the system...which must be a natural result of participating in audio forums.
Remember, NO complaining about the bloody long boring post!! I did warn you!
SY...assuming you are still awake!..have yet to check (forgot before typing this post) can you please terminate my membership if the option does not exist in the personal setting?? thanks.
(Might send you a note to that effect...if I can find the right button somewhere)
Hey! good luck with your DIY adventures, and all the best ok!
see ya
EDIT just saw your post Panikos, thanks. You seem to be one of the good guys. cheers
PS andre go the wallabies!!
The blind can hear better....!
Well we are told over and over again that loss of vision is compensated in a way by having ( or developing) a very keen sense of hearing.
So why not do the 'million dollar' cable comparison test using a 'blind' person who is of course interested in music. Like a blind musician ? I think they must have developed their sense of hearing better than most of us !
His or her keen sense of hearing is probably better than the average Audiophile I guess.
Or has this already been done ?
Well we are told over and over again that loss of vision is compensated in a way by having ( or developing) a very keen sense of hearing.
So why not do the 'million dollar' cable comparison test using a 'blind' person who is of course interested in music. Like a blind musician ? I think they must have developed their sense of hearing better than most of us !
His or her keen sense of hearing is probably better than the average Audiophile I guess.
Or has this already been done ?
Arggh, there is no 'REPORT' button in my own thread!! How do I pm SY so he can terminate me? (imagine me being gently lowered into the molten pot of metal if you must)
Can someone, a true friend, please report or alert my post to SY so that he can exterminate... oops, terminate me?
Can someone, a true friend, please report or alert my post to SY so that he can exterminate... oops, terminate me?
Try disconnecting your cables, you will hear a difference...
Whenever I see this "thread that won't die" in my inbox (most days) I think - "Sure, cables make a difference!" If you don't use them, you won't hear any music!
🙄
Whenever I see this "thread that won't die" in my inbox (most days) I think - "Sure, cables make a difference!" If you don't use them, you won't hear any music!
🙄
Re: Try disconnecting your cables, you will hear a difference...
Are you sure 😀
critofur said:
Are you sure 😀
terry j said:
Hey, don't push it!!!! 😀 😀 😀
No need to (ex)terminate yourself because of cables, it is not that important. 🙂
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