But I do not own a technics, rotel or NAD. I sold my NAD 1020 30 years ago and I'm not about to go out buying things just to work out if you are making sense or horribly confused. Sorry, but if you think you are onto something, record it and put it up for all of us to hear.
Always in the forums there are daring and disoriented people. If you want to be right. well, have it I will not follow this thread. It has been populated by intransigent people. What was a concern on my part has been used to discharge their grudges. Greetings and listen to what you want
So when asked to put up you throw toys out? Fair enough, but no one is any the closer to converting your words into anything audibly meaningful. I have no interest in being right, I have an interest in understanding. Words are poor at this. And talk is cheap.
I think it's interesting to hear differing views, it's moved on from dynamic thankfully, that should be self explanatory
Scott Wurcer posted some measurements of a well liked but poorly performing phono amp somewhere. Not sure how to find them.
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I think the objective was not to corner the guy in to putting up a defense. If you can’t help without having all the information “fully and objectively defined” then it should have been obvious from the first post this isn’t the thread for it.
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I don't know.
The model I like are the Era Gold and the Reflex. They are possibly "better" than my current tube phonostage from what I heard in the store demo.
I recall we did extensive comparison with the audio research reference CD8 or 9, cant remember, cd player and an older dac/transports.
The audio research phono, imo doesn't sound better than the Graham Slee. This is just my opinion. I just like very much the sound of vinyl with the Graham Slee which I don't own.
The model I like are the Era Gold and the Reflex. They are possibly "better" than my current tube phonostage from what I heard in the store demo.
I recall we did extensive comparison with the audio research reference CD8 or 9, cant remember, cd player and an older dac/transports.
The audio research phono, imo doesn't sound better than the Graham Slee. This is just my opinion. I just like very much the sound of vinyl with the Graham Slee which I don't own.
I found the thread on the other forum if I may copy the link here for diy's as a start. I am not the only one liking this phono it seems. It is definitely 'faster' sounding than my tube4hifi phono, or my old stereo discrete phono.
Again on the GSlee : It is not a thin cheap sounding phono, details are amazing and realism, sound is thick, spacious, exact, and very dynamic, feet tapping.
Vinyl Asylum
Again on the GSlee : It is not a thin cheap sounding phono, details are amazing and realism, sound is thick, spacious, exact, and very dynamic, feet tapping.
Vinyl Asylum
As a physicist it is difficult for me to believe that something as simple as a phono preamp can exhibit non-physical behaviour, or point the way to new physics. You have the advantage of not being limited in this way, so you can believe anything you choose to believe.traderbam said:
Properly constructed and properly used audio cables wired between competently engineered sources and loads cannot sound different, except in the imagination of the listener. Bad cables used with bad equipment can sound different - typically such items are either DIY or quite expensive.
Interesting. I thought they brought some much-needed clarity to the thread.
No!! All your ears can do is tell you whether you like the sound; they are quite poor at telling you whether it is a faithful reproduction.
It depends on the PSU and the music. If the PSU has small caps and a big choke and is poorly damped in the subsonic region then the phase shift in the envelope signal could mean that you end up boosting loud passages and vice versa.adason said:
You may be confusing music production with music reproduction.spaceistheplace said:
It isn't sacrilege. It isn't hi-fi, either. It is a perfectly respectable aim; the only problem comes when people confuse it with hi-fi and try to claim that their preferred distortion is somehow more faithful to the original.
Neglecting other parameters is bad engineering, which does not lead to hi-fi. In most cases NFB reduces intermodulation.adason said:
I have seen people on here say that they prefer their system to live music. Such people are not interested in hi-fi.Pano said:
Repetition does not render something true - although some appear to hope that it does. However, repetition does not render something false. As the opposite of my view is frequently expressed, either explicitly or implicitly, I see no problem in simply restating what I believe. My experience in other walks of life is that if I stop protesting about something people form the false impression that I have changed my mind.
But the problem is that 'dynamics' is not clearly defined at all and there is no common reference point. An audible example would help us all to a common ground that the English language cannot achieve.
For example. When a 100 strong choir kicks off on 'Zadok the priest' THAT is dynamic live. Most top 40 pop is compressed to nothing and is NOT dynamic.
I could just as easily start a thread saying I need more flooby from my phono stage and people would be just as wise to my requirements as to the OP here.
I got plenty of flooby...
I thought this thread will discuss various topologies of phono circuits, their pros and cons. Instead useless bickering. So i am off.
I thought this thread will discuss various topologies of phono circuits, their pros and cons. Instead useless bickering. So i am off.
Shrug. I like transamps for MM phono. I am in a select group of odd people who follow this route. The group is currently 5 people. I will not claim any audible benefits, just the happiness of bypassing all the pain of correct capacitive loading of the cartridge in return for a new set of problems 🙂.
This is true. You would get serious issues with your neighbours if your home gear would reproduce the whole dynamic range. Even today it's difficult if not impossible to reproduce the whole range of sound nature is capable of. Vinyl is especially far from it.
So what you can do about it is 1) choose a range you want to reproduce, say 35 to 104 dB, 2) compress the musical content withín that range, if you have louder/softer musical information. This is always done, including those subjectivly 'dynamic' Decca SXL gems from the 60ies. Rock and Pop is much narrower, even without the so-called loudness-war.
All you can do is tricking the human hearing into feeling that sense of dynamic, and that is what competent sound engineers do, if that's their goal (as on these Deccas).
You seem to be saying that you don't like the sound of "good dynamics", is that correct? What is it about dynamics that you would call "good"? Why do you not like that sound?
Can you give some examples of phono stages that you built whose sound you liked but which lacked good dynamics? Can you give some examples of phono stages you have built that had good dynamics but whose sound you did not like? What was it about the sound that you did not like, besides the good dynamics? How else did they differ sonically from those which sounded good?
Did you find any correlation between circuit topology and good dynamics?
OK that's good, you kept the power supply the same. Is your psu regulated? Have you tried different power supplies while keeping the amplifier the same? It is possible that what you are calling dynamics is related to PSRR, in which case changing the power supply might change the dynamics.
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