Only industrial equipment is relevant in our market, the audio market is very narrow and there are a lot of vintage equipment on it. I didn’t have a goal to bring my product somewhere, I’m interested in how expensive it will be.
Thank you, this is much closer to the topic.
In Russia, China, USA, everyone would be different.
Bit of a joke discussion because you state virtually no details as to your virtual design or goals. It could be hundreds or thousands of dollars, depending on what is done and by whom.
Yes, of course this is a joke. Cost like the Parasound A21. Although you know that Chinese, Americans and Canadians enter our market, which means that we also have the right to enter your markets! Russia is a member of the World Trade Organization.
When you want to become a writer, you can imagine you need a pen and paper, but what story are you going to tell? Writers are born so (gifted) or grow into it during time with a lot of exercise to gain experience and name.
When you want to become a prima ballerina, you can imagine you need a tutu and spitzes, but what dance are you going to perform? Ballerina's are born so (gifted) or grow into it during time with a lot of exercise to gain experience and name.
When you want to become a electronic amplifier designer, you can imagine you need calculator and a soldering iron, but what briliant idea are you going to realise? Electronic amplifier designer's are born so (gifted) or grow into it during time with a lot of exercise to gain experience and name.
I have enough experience to write a book, but which publisher is waiting for a story by Mars Bravo?
I have no talent whatsoever regarding dancing. I am dangerous when trying and have a bad right knee. I know I can better watch then participate.
I have found a way to have two semiconductors working together to act exactly like a triode, but I have no idea how to put this in the market. Audio is a niche. Nobody is moved anymore by the next promise in this field. The known brands provide the demand sufficient.
And for the rest it's all about data and algoritms now.
When you want to become a prima ballerina, you can imagine you need a tutu and spitzes, but what dance are you going to perform? Ballerina's are born so (gifted) or grow into it during time with a lot of exercise to gain experience and name.
When you want to become a electronic amplifier designer, you can imagine you need calculator and a soldering iron, but what briliant idea are you going to realise? Electronic amplifier designer's are born so (gifted) or grow into it during time with a lot of exercise to gain experience and name.
I have enough experience to write a book, but which publisher is waiting for a story by Mars Bravo?
I have no talent whatsoever regarding dancing. I am dangerous when trying and have a bad right knee. I know I can better watch then participate.
I have found a way to have two semiconductors working together to act exactly like a triode, but I have no idea how to put this in the market. Audio is a niche. Nobody is moved anymore by the next promise in this field. The known brands provide the demand sufficient.
And for the rest it's all about data and algoritms now.
My real world experience of getting others to do "development" on a contact bases...if you shop around they will do it for whatever price you want, as low as you want it to be, if they are desperate.
But you might end up with an egg timer instead of an amplifier, and it probably won't count past 3 seconds.
But you might end up with an egg timer instead of an amplifier, and it probably won't count past 3 seconds.
2 MarsBravo
What are you speaking about? There are almost no normal amplifiers. Something but it will not be so. Or sound or price, or uncomfortable or something. But mostly sound, so-so ...
What are you speaking about? There are almost no normal amplifiers. Something but it will not be so. Or sound or price, or uncomfortable or something. But mostly sound, so-so ...
Уou must always understand who you are dealing with.
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If I understand this correctly, the core of the design is already in place. So packaging the design into a commercial product is the requirement. As previously proposed, respected freelance designers can be employed. Also many established companies would make a product for re-badging especially those in the far east. However, they would need a minimum order.
There are also companies that take product prototypes and turn them into production items, The biggest electronic companies do not always complete design in house. One project I was part of, was handed to Sigma in Sweden who turned the design concept into a production item in 6 months. In this case the cost was for product management and two designers. A budget for 3 people is not unreasonable. A company was founded to market the product and take over the production system that had been created.
In general terms 3 to 6 months depending on complexity of the concept i.e. are remote control, preamp, wireless functions etc. to be included?. Metal work prototyping is at least one month. Plastics longer. There is also certification - emc, safety at around $5000 but is variable according to how much functionality the product has. A pure power amp has few functions so cheaper. and depends if re-test is needed. Testing time is booked for a few hours.
The final cost of sale is obviously down to how many you can sell. Parasound prices are not unreasonable because staff have to be supported by few sales in an extremely competitive market. Technology can also be licensed for a royalty to avoid building product.
Therefore, a tight specification is needed to avoid burning cash.
There are also companies that take product prototypes and turn them into production items, The biggest electronic companies do not always complete design in house. One project I was part of, was handed to Sigma in Sweden who turned the design concept into a production item in 6 months. In this case the cost was for product management and two designers. A budget for 3 people is not unreasonable. A company was founded to market the product and take over the production system that had been created.
In general terms 3 to 6 months depending on complexity of the concept i.e. are remote control, preamp, wireless functions etc. to be included?. Metal work prototyping is at least one month. Plastics longer. There is also certification - emc, safety at around $5000 but is variable according to how much functionality the product has. A pure power amp has few functions so cheaper. and depends if re-test is needed. Testing time is booked for a few hours.
The final cost of sale is obviously down to how many you can sell. Parasound prices are not unreasonable because staff have to be supported by few sales in an extremely competitive market. Technology can also be licensed for a royalty to avoid building product.
Therefore, a tight specification is needed to avoid burning cash.
I'll do it for $162. This is one of those posts that everyone knows is going nowhere but is fascinating to read to see who ends up calling his bluff.
I will design you an amplifier with suitable Whenk Factor for One Million Dollars.
A bit busy right now, can start in July.
A bit busy right now, can start in July.
I am interested in the last two sentences. One for the price of dinner in a restaurant.
The second will probably be very fast in three days and of very high quality.
Please submit your portfolios.
The second will probably be very fast in three days and of very high quality.
Please submit your portfolios.
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This is a common mistake which causes many projects to die prematurely. You cannot enter the market on name, experience, and labels. Only established, very well regarded companies can sell based on reputation.
If you come with a new product and an unknown name in the market, you need to spend lots of money on expensive marketing to get a foothold. Otherwise your design money is wasted.
The cost of the design, prototype, data package is insignificant to the total project costs.
Sorry to be so blunt.
Jan
I know about it. For many years I worked as a marketing engineer at a large enterprise. A couple of years ago, my neighbor bought a modern Sansui FV-34C tube amplifier. Now he thinks that this is Japanese Sansui of the late 60s, at least by tradition.
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The complete design of a amplifier today is tedious and therefore somewhat expensive. The basic design which is a simplified schematic can be for the price of a dinner. I have given several designs away for that price, but I am more wary now. '-) Most of today's designs like the Parasound A-21 is simply a distillation of earlier designs that themselves started with a simplified schematic (from me) because my employer wanted a cheaper, more affordable design than the product made at the time. Simplified schematics are easy, and there are plenty available. Detailed schematics take months to years to get right, usually several iterations, prototype failures etc. This is what makes it expensive. What is someone's time worth? That is the question.
Why should I do this? If NAD themselves order all their products on the side. For the cleaners, they are too good in this area ...
It seems that those developers of microprocessor testing systems, which I spoke about, and who, by the way, have a large assembly production and even the production of toroidal transformers with a capacity of about 1-6 kW, will be happy to develop a project. If this order comes from outside. They have some products similar to sound amplifiers, but in industrial design in plastic shockproof cases. I was at their production, however, it is clear that the sale of audio equipment is not their specificity for sure.
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Your question is so vague and undefined that it REALLY has no answer.
* What kind of amp?
* For what market?
* expected specs.
* quantity to be made
* WHO will actually manufacture it? (hint: a "designer only" will never get another cent from you, an OEM manufacturer will get a nice contract afterwards)
The documents you mention are needed, but not enough by any means.
"Packaging" meaning layout, chassis design, enclosure design, kind of cooling used (heatsinks, fans, whatever) all are necessary for anything produced in the Real World, beyond a POC board bolted to a piece of plywood.
🙂
You don´t even have amp details, how can you advance a quote?
Plus $2k will barely cover coffee and donuts consumed while designing.
besides that, you will need to design a rough sketch on paper, simulate and polish it, then order parts and harware, build a prototype, measure it, correct, measure, correct ... measure, correct.
You will have to order a second batch of PCBs, rinse and repeat.
^^^^^ THAT
Just within DIY Audio itself, I suggest you ask for a quotation from, (in no particular order): Mr Nelson Pass, Bob Cordell, John Curl, etc.
No lack of gifted designers around here.
That said, expect suitably high values.
That.
Thanks.
Then I guess they won´t be interested in run of the mill massive sales consumer grade equipment and will expect to sell a similar priced Audio product or it simply won´t make Commercial sense.
Definitely but then you will have to pay a lot extra just for the use of their hardly earned Fame/Respectability (can´t find the exact word but that´s the idea).
JMFahey
One very famous American design bureau has already announced to me the price of developing a preamplifier and terminal amplifier in the amount of about 15000-30000 US dollars for its old 20-year scheme, which, obviously, was ready to slightly switch to more modern components. But I need my ultramodern design, not old alterations.
I think that since some amplifiers cost about the same, this is not a very high price to develop. I think that for this amount I can even get into modern design, especially since I already created a computer model.
Now in front of me there is the question of who to choose this American bureau or to contact my own who are involved in the development and manufacture of microprocessor test systems and who are in the city where I live. While I think that the second option is more convenient and simpler. But most importantly, I already know for sure how much such work is worth.
One very famous American design bureau has already announced to me the price of developing a preamplifier and terminal amplifier in the amount of about 15000-30000 US dollars for its old 20-year scheme, which, obviously, was ready to slightly switch to more modern components. But I need my ultramodern design, not old alterations.
I think that since some amplifiers cost about the same, this is not a very high price to develop. I think that for this amount I can even get into modern design, especially since I already created a computer model.
Now in front of me there is the question of who to choose this American bureau or to contact my own who are involved in the development and manufacture of microprocessor test systems and who are in the city where I live. While I think that the second option is more convenient and simpler. But most importantly, I already know for sure how much such work is worth.
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I'd say: engage!
I dump his, and promote my own design. Unnotified backwards. Whatever. The real world. I grant everyone to become a millionaire.
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