How about something shiny for $13.5K ?
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Pano, level setting is a possibility. And possibly the analog HF grunge you noted in the DCX that is not present in the M-Audio? No way to tell in retrospect.
Next time you're here, we'll repeat my experiment. I did NOT get the result I expected.
Next time you're here, we'll repeat my experiment. I did NOT get the result I expected.
It's a good way to announce to the world, "I've got too much goddam money." A lot like designer watches and cocaine in that respect.
I don't know how sound, but are really beautiful a master piece of art so here you are paying also the german build quality & italian design😀
Scusi, issa German build quality and Dutch design.
(now that you mention it, good plateau to snort coke off. Edit : A guy i met a long time ago, had a police force g/f, used to hide his stash in his TT)
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i've come to the conclusion that if it sounds good it often measures good as well if you can actually figure out what is relevant in your measurements, and correlate those measurements to the still poorly understood human hearing mechanism.
Ultimately I listen with my ears and not meters. I'm an engineer and admit that I do really like to measure things, but other than a few very obvious things to measure (like noise floor, frequency response, and distortion spectrum in linear electronics for example) I have not had a huge amount of success correlating what I hear with what I can reasonably measure. In the end I use my ears to decide what sounds good or not to me, as ultimately the only person I have to please is myself - I'm actually not doing this for anyone else. Once in a while someone else comes along who likes what I have done, and that makes me happy, otherwise I don't (hopefully - this requires some level of self assurance that I don't necessarily possess 😀 ) and shouldn't care about it. I've been thinking a lot lately about these and related issues, and it can all very quickly take on the trappings of religion - something I like to avoid.. 😀
Edit: In a lot of cases I admit if something does not sound good to me I am much more inclined to investigate and try to understand by measurement what went wrong. If it sounds good conversely I am much less interested in knowing why and more interested in enjoying the fruits of my labor - I have to force myself to measure in such cases. In the case of a new design I do design, measure, and then listen only once the measurements I think relevant are acceptable.
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Agree Kevin ,
I do so myself , the measurements are usually to confirm what i hear/don't hear. In the end you can always quantify what you hear ....
regards,
I do so myself , the measurements are usually to confirm what i hear/don't hear. In the end you can always quantify what you hear ....
regards,
The complete opposite of the truth. 😡 Listening is the ultimate test. Controlled listening. Any other listening is absolute rubbish.
I guess you don't trust the entire science of human perception. And just because it invalidates your hifi 'discoveries' and 'conclusions' 😀
Gee, I dunno. I listen to stuff all the time, that's what audio is about. Does it have to be controlled? Can't I just listen and enjoy?
(sigh....) I really, really want to be nice here, but at the same time I would love to straighten out the crooked thinking. Please be patient with my writing skills here, I am a well intentioned dude..😱
The whole idea of listening in an uncontrolled manner and then looking at differences in measurements to explain the 'audible' observations is the fastest way into audio hell while thinking one is in nirvana. Don't bother. The uncontrolled listening will generate impressions that simply don't exist when the same ears do controlled listening, so the whole process is starting with false data. Then the spiral deepens, and deepens, and over time the poor audiophile develops a whole belief system about what sounds good and what doesn't, and why (supported by measurements!). And if the poor fellow is then suddenly lucky enough to participate in controlled listening tests of his beliefs (which would be a very rare thing to happen) nearly all his beliefs would not be supported, and he would come to the Great Fork in The Road: modestly accept it and ditch his beliefs and start looking at what controlled listening tests have revealed, or succumb to the ego driven by years of uncontrolled listening and reject controlled listening and in many cases attack the methodology.
Reading the comments on audio discussion boards it is easy to tell who is in nirvana-hell and who is outside, paying attention to research. I would like to think that new or budding audiophiles get some exposure on the discussion boards to the scientific audio community as a counterbalance to the constant encouragement to 'listen with your ears' (meaning uncontrolled), 'trust your ears' (uncontrolled), and even 'try LP and you may never look back' 😛 .
I could pick up on a whole raft of things here, but I'm going to limit myself to just one question 😀 Why the scare quotes around the word 'audible' ?
Hate to disagree - no, maybe I don't.
There are plenty of folks here on this forum who have enough experience to listen without controls. It a little thing called "experience." Much of it hard won over many decades. I know many of these guys personally.
Sure, controlled listening is great if you want to do real in depth research and make claims of fact, but I know several forum members who have remarkably well trained hearing. There really is a lot of stuff that you can hear for yourself. Believing that everything you hear is wrong is just silly. Skills do exist.
There are plenty of folks here on this forum who have enough experience to listen without controls. It a little thing called "experience." Much of it hard won over many decades. I know many of these guys personally.
Sure, controlled listening is great if you want to do real in depth research and make claims of fact, but I know several forum members who have remarkably well trained hearing. There really is a lot of stuff that you can hear for yourself. Believing that everything you hear is wrong is just silly. Skills do exist.
I've seen this thread grow in terms of numbers of posts. It's an obvious one for me to stay away from.
I wonder if I can say something sensible and manage not to get on the wrong side of somebody. I wonder if it's desirable that I say something that doesn't provoke somebody. Strangely, considering that I frequently tell people they place too much reliance on the evidence of their ears, I am as confident of my own listening skills as anyone. A whole load of people keep telling me that my hearing is not up to the job. When I say 'all amplifiers sound the same', a lot of people are in a big hurry to disagree.
I remember LP's. I remember 45s stacked on a autochanger. Some kind of portable... Dansette*. With a valve or two, a sound that was no sound, and we listened with our heads stuck up close to it if it wasn't loud enough, Hell, I remember when a stylus was a needle, and a needle it was, a dangerous and robust little object as sharp as anything you're ever likely to come across, a fleschette. 25 or 50 in a little round tin. We used to change 'em frequently, they were no less dangerous coming out than they were going in.
I taught myself to play the guitar starting in maybe 1962. I've never had a really great technique, but it's not unknown for one of my wife's acquaintances in the next room to mistake my playing for the radio. I can hold an audience for a while. I can stand in a subway and get money with a pennywhistle.
I don't know how many of you can tune a guitar, but I can. That's what I'll do, if you give me a guitar, I'll check it for tune. Play a chord. If there's any music playing then I'll put it in tune with that. But enough of that. ...however, when I start to pontificate about stuff, I don't do it on the basis that I'm deaf.
Now CDs are better'n LPs, beyondashadowofadoubt.
I remember getting a Van Morrison album in a bad pressing. On one whole side there was this tiny echoey buzz. It's hard to explain. I took it back to the shop, and they exchanged it, no problem in fact, except the next copy had exactly the same problem. I had a decent hi-fi in those days, as good as anything, except maybe a Quad amp and electrostatics. Plenty good to reveal that little flaw. Eventually hi-fi's were replaced by 'music centres.'
You could ruin one easily, an LP. In fact you still can. Just play it. You can copy a CD identically.
You couldn't have a child or a pet.
You couldn't play them while walking around, so it wasn't worth having headphones. LPs that is.
Now all CD players sound virtually the same. You might get one that's a bit duff, but just get another one. The main problem is not enough volume, but you can have a headphone amp, just be careful you don't damage your hearing.
One of the things worth having is some quality in-ear phones. With a pair of these and a computer you can test your hearing. Which I do from time to time. Which is good enough for me.
w
Ally these to a CD player and lyrics that puzzled you for years coming off a turntable will become clear, if they are ever going to.
*Dansette was a British manufacturer of portable mono record players with a built-in speaker. Some models also had a BSR autochanger allowing several records to be loaded at once, and played in succession. It was first manufactured in 1952 and at least one million were sold in the 1950s and 1960s. Source - wikipedia
I wonder if I can say something sensible and manage not to get on the wrong side of somebody. I wonder if it's desirable that I say something that doesn't provoke somebody. Strangely, considering that I frequently tell people they place too much reliance on the evidence of their ears, I am as confident of my own listening skills as anyone. A whole load of people keep telling me that my hearing is not up to the job. When I say 'all amplifiers sound the same', a lot of people are in a big hurry to disagree.
I remember LP's. I remember 45s stacked on a autochanger. Some kind of portable... Dansette*. With a valve or two, a sound that was no sound, and we listened with our heads stuck up close to it if it wasn't loud enough, Hell, I remember when a stylus was a needle, and a needle it was, a dangerous and robust little object as sharp as anything you're ever likely to come across, a fleschette. 25 or 50 in a little round tin. We used to change 'em frequently, they were no less dangerous coming out than they were going in.
I taught myself to play the guitar starting in maybe 1962. I've never had a really great technique, but it's not unknown for one of my wife's acquaintances in the next room to mistake my playing for the radio. I can hold an audience for a while. I can stand in a subway and get money with a pennywhistle.
I don't know how many of you can tune a guitar, but I can. That's what I'll do, if you give me a guitar, I'll check it for tune. Play a chord. If there's any music playing then I'll put it in tune with that. But enough of that. ...however, when I start to pontificate about stuff, I don't do it on the basis that I'm deaf.
Now CDs are better'n LPs, beyondashadowofadoubt.
I remember getting a Van Morrison album in a bad pressing. On one whole side there was this tiny echoey buzz. It's hard to explain. I took it back to the shop, and they exchanged it, no problem in fact, except the next copy had exactly the same problem. I had a decent hi-fi in those days, as good as anything, except maybe a Quad amp and electrostatics. Plenty good to reveal that little flaw. Eventually hi-fi's were replaced by 'music centres.'
You could ruin one easily, an LP. In fact you still can. Just play it. You can copy a CD identically.
You couldn't have a child or a pet.
You couldn't play them while walking around, so it wasn't worth having headphones. LPs that is.
Now all CD players sound virtually the same. You might get one that's a bit duff, but just get another one. The main problem is not enough volume, but you can have a headphone amp, just be careful you don't damage your hearing.
One of the things worth having is some quality in-ear phones. With a pair of these and a computer you can test your hearing. Which I do from time to time. Which is good enough for me.
w
Ally these to a CD player and lyrics that puzzled you for years coming off a turntable will become clear, if they are ever going to.
Desmond Decker said:
*Dansette was a British manufacturer of portable mono record players with a built-in speaker. Some models also had a BSR autochanger allowing several records to be loaded at once, and played in succession. It was first manufactured in 1952 and at least one million were sold in the 1950s and 1960s. Source - wikipedia
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The entire science of human perception cannot validate "my" system ..🙄 Unfortunately regardless of the science we still have to use our ears to form an "opinion"..........
Apparently not .... 😛
Accchhh .. NO! .. There are audible differences between CD's when making copies, very much so..
Accch ....No .. 🙄 Well maybe, the bad ones sound bad and the good ones .. well u know ... 🙂
You may need better analog and or speakers ....................... 😎
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