Ken,
1) my experience matches yours, except that in my time ceramics were already out
2) I prefer your more tongue in cheek moniker from AA 🙂
1) my experience matches yours, except that in my time ceramics were already out
2) I prefer your more tongue in cheek moniker from AA 🙂
Key word Ken ... Recollection ...............................
Obvious most who are pro digital sound don't have analog , much less good analog. But most alarming is the very thought they might not even have good digital ....
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I know what you mean. They sell there bad stuff anyway. The pendulum has to go all the way before it eventually turns the other way. At least somewhat we hope 🙁 .
Speaking of pendulum, high time someone came up with a new balancing willy tonearm lift.
The Stylist (that skyrocketed my 3012 once every ten attempts) is a goner, as is the Espresso timo rocking willy.
(CD and Phono are both near extinct, flogging a dead horse is somewhat tiring after close to 30 years)
You'll never hear distortion in a top of the line vinyl playback system. You never be able to say that a cd player sounds less distorted than a competent analogue system. You simply can't hear the difference between the two in terms of distortion.
John
I hope any one who says one medium is better than another has compared the same album on the 2 media or your wasting everyones time. (Comparing a Pink Floyd record from the seventies to a Propeller Head CD from a few years ago is nonsense)
Pre echo is caused by tape print thru and can be changed to a less annoying post echo if the tape is stored tails out, but its still there.
The lack of dynamic range (and compresion and limiting have been used in recording since it started ) has nothing to do with the medium. So why bring it up. ( Blame the AM car radio and then MP3s for that ) But while were at it 🙂 why dont the record companies take a lead from the movie studios and give us 2 versions, a good not over compressed version (audiophile mode) and a stomped on version (radio mode) on the same disc (DVD audio?)
Pre echo is caused by tape print thru and can be changed to a less annoying post echo if the tape is stored tails out, but its still there.
The lack of dynamic range (and compresion and limiting have been used in recording since it started ) has nothing to do with the medium. So why bring it up. ( Blame the AM car radio and then MP3s for that ) But while were at it 🙂 why dont the record companies take a lead from the movie studios and give us 2 versions, a good not over compressed version (audiophile mode) and a stomped on version (radio mode) on the same disc (DVD audio?)
Share your recollection
Because one person's recollection is necessarily represents a single observation, that doesn't automatically consign it to being inaccurate. If your recollection of typical (non-audiophile) pre-CD vinyl playback significantly differs, then please, do share it.
It's not a matter of being pro digital or anti analog. I still have my old Systemdek turntable with Grado cartridge and a treasured LP collection. As I indicated, LP was superior to digital in communicating emotion, although I think that this distinction is far far smaller today than it once clearly was. The market reality is, however, that the vast majority of new music is released only in digital form, therefore, digital playback well warrants any and all efforts to improve it.
Key word Ken ... Recollection ...............................
Obvious most who are pro digital sound don't have analog , much less good analog. But most alarming is the very thought they might not even have good digital ....
Because one person's recollection is necessarily represents a single observation, that doesn't automatically consign it to being inaccurate. If your recollection of typical (non-audiophile) pre-CD vinyl playback significantly differs, then please, do share it.
It's not a matter of being pro digital or anti analog. I still have my old Systemdek turntable with Grado cartridge and a treasured LP collection. As I indicated, LP was superior to digital in communicating emotion, although I think that this distinction is far far smaller today than it once clearly was. The market reality is, however, that the vast majority of new music is released only in digital form, therefore, digital playback well warrants any and all efforts to improve it.
According to my info the loudness wars started due to the advent of cd changers (at home and in-car) before mp3s became popular. Mp3s do not compress dynamics per se. At least the ones I create for my wifes ipod do not compress dynamics at all.
Radio stations tend to use their own compressors, they are not necessarily expensive.
Record companies used to produce special radio edits with the vocals pushed forward and profanities removed. May be some extra dynamic compression but I've never noticed that with the radio edits I own.
Radio stations tend to use their own compressors, they are not necessarily expensive.
Record companies used to produce special radio edits with the vocals pushed forward and profanities removed. May be some extra dynamic compression but I've never noticed that with the radio edits I own.
1 . Because,they don't know what it is.
2 . Because,they don't care.
3 . Because,they want it that way.
4 . Because,sheep will buy
5 . Because,and it is the killer one,audiophiles don't listen to the music.It is the machinery that counts!!!
B.L
There are quite a few new releases being done on both mediums, you can read the article i posted earlier...
The problem for most Ken , is that they approach both mediums as if they are mutually exclusive. To tie yourself to anyone medium when there is no distinct sonic advantage is a backwards step IMO.
Ohh there are more and more titles being released on both mediums today ..see Post 278.....
The medium itself, CD, is and is not guilty. On its own it is not, witness pre-1990 releases. But with the digital audio revolution came the Digital Audio Workstation, which is an extremely powerful tool (good!) that, in the wrong hands, or in ignorant hands, allows absurd manipulations of the signal (bad!), and this at near-zero cost and effort. It gave more people access to more processing versatility, among them morons, marketeers, and meancounters.
A bit like nuclear fission.
Or a bit like a 2010 digital SLR versus an original Leica M6.
so ~1/3 linear velocity of the inner groove tracks on LP has No Consequence in vinyl playback???
and when linear tracking tonearms don't seem to dominate in the "top of the line" audiophile phono rigs?
all that ink in JAES on phono playback errors, with measuemnts of tracking, tracing distortion, was just the way bored engineers wasted their time pre internet?
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Yes.
Since (about 5 years sgo) discovering I was paying good money for clipped waveforms I must have bought oh - 2 CDs. Total. Before I was about 1 a week.
I may be wrong,but there is a certain attitude,by some members in this forum.
If something doesn't walk their walk,they 're naming names.
Well excuse me,but you have my permission to keep it to yoursef.
Please accept my sincere thanks for your kindness.
Obliged.
B.L
Those errors are for all practical purposes "unhearable" on a competently set-up system.
The disadvantages of linear tracking arms outweigh their miniscule distortion advantage. Most audiophiles listen to vinyl that is played back at 45 rpm and the inner grooves are well back from center. Nearly all of the faults of vinyl playback have been reduced to vanishingly inaudible levels. That's a fact.
John
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Well, that describes one album that I own, and it's far from the best sounding one. The other 999 or so, well... not so much.
Cough, cough.
So have I. I buy second-hand pop albums on vinyl and classical CDs from Kruidvat.
To me, dynamic range is the SINGLE most enthralling feature of recorded audio, far surpassing others things like tone, noise floor, channel separation, etc.
K
So, what is your opinion of the newest releases from MusicMatters and Acoustic Sounds? The Acoustech remasters of the Blue Note and Impulse recordings from the late fifties and early sixties sound pretty spectacular on a Technics SP10MkIII with an Airtight Supreme cartridge mounted on an SME 312S arm, don't you agree?
John
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