But that is the goal of the test, to find out whether different equipment actually does sound different.
You assume that it does and therefor needs different tests. That makes no sense.
And we both know that sound engineers have all their favorite stuff which may or may not be based on reality. And again, it is the goal of tests such as these to find out whether it does have a basis in reality.
Jan
Just because they get paid, doesn't mean they don't have biases. Go to gearslutz and you'll see the old "I paid mega bucks for this device, therefore it MUST be better than that cheap #*@! device" in just about any thread there.
He's saying there are plenty of reasons that an individual would pick certain equipment that have absolutely nothing to do with technical merit for the project presently at hand. He specifically mentioned the "I bought something expensive so by God I'm going to use it" rationale.
The pros, just like the rest of us, aren't perfect actors.
The pros, just like the rest of us, aren't perfect actors.
Once again for those who have doubts about the test and the equipment used in the test:
1) go to the post #1 and download the original (source) file, ww
2) make a blind ABX test vs. any selected file of the test files, rr - vv, using foobar ABX plug-in
3) save your ABX result as a txt file and show it here. Such file can be then verified for validity by anyone.
This would be a clear result, without further speculations, impressions and unsupported claims.
I you cannot do it, then do not speak about inferior audio chain used in the test. You have a great chance vs. the original file. Once again, from now, no impressions, but results.
1) go to the post #1 and download the original (source) file, ww
2) make a blind ABX test vs. any selected file of the test files, rr - vv, using foobar ABX plug-in
3) save your ABX result as a txt file and show it here. Such file can be then verified for validity by anyone.
This would be a clear result, without further speculations, impressions and unsupported claims.
I you cannot do it, then do not speak about inferior audio chain used in the test. You have a great chance vs. the original file. Once again, from now, no impressions, but results.
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We have enough threads with audiophile blabla in the forum, with respected and highly regarded participants.
It took Martin Seligman 20 years to prove to the behavioralists that they were wrong. Some never admitted defeat, instead they grew old and disappeared. Nobody is left who still believes they had it all figured out.
Maybe ABX testing for measuring perceptual distortion limits will slowly disappear as well.
In the meantime, the organizer(s) of a listening thread are free run it as they prefer.
Maybe ABX testing for measuring perceptual distortion limits will slowly disappear as well.
In the meantime, the organizer(s) of a listening thread are free run it as they prefer.
PMA, don't worry, it's not your fault, the listening test thread always ends up something like this. LOL.
Bias is always natural, it is part of being human, and thus not unreasonable. You need to read up on perception.
No it is not his fault, that is clear. If there is a fault it is from those that cannot understand or accept the results and try to give their own slant to it by coming up with totally irrelevant stuff, like posts on Gearslutz. Talking about a totally subjective, lack-of-data and fully biased forum. Jeez.
Many thanks are due to PMA; he kept this tread on track for longer than we could expect. But now it seems to head to the crash that any thread goes to, sooner or later. But it was great as long as it lasted.
See you guys another time.
Jan
Well, we could talk about opamps in circuits such as the one in the attached image. Sounds great for many things and is quite famous.
Also, notice the .22uf tantalum capacitors in the tone circuit. Gotta love that sound! 😀
Also, notice the .22uf tantalum capacitors in the tone circuit. Gotta love that sound! 😀
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OK, what is the "sound" of the opamp, when it was not discerned by anyone from the sound of the original file? Not speaking about the whole additional D/A - A/D chain, that was also in the sound path. Still you have a chance to post a valid ABX result.
PMA, if you mean in the musical instrument circuit, op amps often sound very different when not used conservatively relative to their specifications.
Nonetheless, useful circuits that may sell a fair amount of product can result.
Nonetheless, useful circuits that may sell a fair amount of product can result.
Pavel,
I would say you did an excellent demonstration of two points;
Op-amps currently in production work just fine for normal unity gain use. However since you did not use 50+ year old samples there could have been some changes from the original parts.
Opinions here don't change even with 50+ years of experience or competant demonstrations.
ES
I would say you did an excellent demonstration of two points;
Op-amps currently in production work just fine for normal unity gain use. However since you did not use 50+ year old samples there could have been some changes from the original parts.
Opinions here don't change even with 50+ years of experience or competant demonstrations.
ES
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