The crossover here is just a cap and a resistor on the tweeter
perhaps there is a hidden potential for improvement - did you try other brands.....holco, vishay.......and an exotic poly/teflon cap.....?
geewhizbang said:So if your system sounds great with the gainclone, mine should too.


tbla said:perhaps there is a hidden potential for improvement - did you try other brands.....holco, vishay.......and an exotic poly/teflon cap.....?
Years ago I saw these speakers opened, and I saw the crossover (the cap seams a good one) on a magazine.
Looking at my Epos, I never figured out how to open it.


It has four big metal bars joining front and back panel.
The woofer is molded on (is part of) the front panel (another Epos way of doing it, how to diy this?), the tweeter has no screws at sight, they are inside the box...
This box is completely "dead", no resonances at all.
I never lost much time trying to figure out how to open it anyway, as I love their sound, everything seams spot on.
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You're right tbla, there's a "hidden" potential.😀
Sorry to keep this off topic.
I owned a set of these back in the mid nineties, they are everything Carlos makes them out to be. Epos released a cap upgrade for them a few years after release to improve 'clarity'. I also seem to recall they loved being bi-wired as well, quite a dramatic difference from a single cable run........
Nuuk,
You need 4 regulators per amp!?? Can Rapid supply the TO3 version?
I owned a set of these back in the mid nineties, they are everything Carlos makes them out to be. Epos released a cap upgrade for them a few years after release to improve 'clarity'. I also seem to recall they loved being bi-wired as well, quite a dramatic difference from a single cable run........
Nuuk,
You need 4 regulators per amp!?? Can Rapid supply the TO3 version?
NealG said:I also seem to recall they loved being bi-wired as well, quite a dramatic difference from a single cable run........
Neal, my Epos didn't come with those adapters for single-wiring (those metal clamps), and I made an atapter with Kimber cable and good 4mm plugs (bananas, as we call them).
Kimber 4TC is not cheap, and anyway I prefer to have good cable than buy cheaper and bi-wire.
Most of the times you are doubling the capacitance of the cable...
Don't take me wrong guys, but I don't see much advantage in bi-wiring, quite the opposite.
Most of the times what you gain with bi-wiring is to remove those nasty metal clamps, but you don't need to bi-wire to remove them, just join the terminals with a small piece of good cable.😀
Bi-amp yes, that's a completely different story.
Neal, do you have any idea how to open them?

Hi,
Probably not with speakers that have such a simple x-over as the Epos. Other LS may be a totally different story.
As for cable capacitance, it can be problematic for some amplifiers but you could just as well use less capacitive cable in the first place.
Surely, Carlos, you may want to look into the theory behind bi-/tri-
wiring first?
What about speakers that don't have any provision for multi-wiring and therefore don't have those nasty bridges?
Cheers,😉
Don't take me wrong guys, but I don't see much advantage in bi-wiring, quite the opposite.
Probably not with speakers that have such a simple x-over as the Epos. Other LS may be a totally different story.
As for cable capacitance, it can be problematic for some amplifiers but you could just as well use less capacitive cable in the first place.
Most of the times what you gain with bi-wiring is to remove those nasty metal clamps, but you don't need to bi-wire to remove them, just join the terminals with a small piece of good cable.
Surely, Carlos, you may want to look into the theory behind bi-/tri-
wiring first?
What about speakers that don't have any provision for multi-wiring and therefore don't have those nasty bridges?
Cheers,😉
You need 4 regulators per amp!?? Can Rapid supply the TO3 version?
Well, you could get away with just two I suppose! Of course they would then need the larger heatsinks as they would be working twice as hard.
Rapid have the T03 versions at 5.50 UKP (plus very awful tax). By using four, the LM338 is more than up to the job (IMHO) and the cost is 4.20 UKP compared to nearly 13 UKP for a pair of the T03's!
Carlos, a friend of mine had a hell of a time getting into his Epos 14's but he did it eventually. He is away at present but when I see him again I will ask him how it is done. Of course those of us with enough sense to use OB's don't need to 'get inside' them! 😀
a friend of mine had a hell of a time getting into his Epos 14's but he did it eventually
SCALPEL PLEASE............😀
fdegrove said:Surely, Carlos, you may want to look into the theory behind bi-/tri-wiring first?
What about speakers that don't have any provision for multi-wiring and therefore don't have those nasty bridges?
Cheers,😉
Yes...?
There are many good and expen$ive speakers that have only one pair of terminals.
Anyway, with a budget to spend, If I was given the chance to buy one single run of, say, Kimber 4TC or double runs of cheap Supra cable I would go for the first, anyday, anytime.
Just my oppinion, ok?
Piece in the world.

Oh, wish me good luck for tonight.😀
Nuuk said:Carlos, a friend of mine had a hell of a time getting into his Epos 14's but he did it eventually. He is away at present but when I see him again I will ask him how it is done. Of course those of us with enough sense to use OB's don't need to 'get inside' them! 😀
Thanks, Nuuk, when you have news about that, drop me a mail.
As long as I don't need a hammer to open these things...

There are many good and expen$ive speakers that have only one pair of terminals
these speakers must use series crossover - not bi/triwireable.
btw i use triple runs of kimber 8tc........😉
tbla said:these speakers must use series crossover - not bi/triwireable.
I know, tbla.
What I meant to say is that there are manufacturers that don't believe in bi/tri-wiring too...
My two cents
Hi Carlos
I appreciate your work with the regulated psu. I can imagine, that the effect for the sound is good, even when the chip already has about 7 current regulators implemented.
Maybe, the chip really sounds better, when the correction work is smaller. Same thing like feedback with a single ended tube amp: you can correct errors, but you loose some information.
As less errors needed to be corrected, as better the sound.
I did not read all your posts, Carlos. But my question: do you have some measure equipment (scope etc) and do you check your amps this way?
Regards
Franz
BTW:
Do you believe in biwiring or do you know it? 😀
Hi Carlos
I appreciate your work with the regulated psu. I can imagine, that the effect for the sound is good, even when the chip already has about 7 current regulators implemented.
Maybe, the chip really sounds better, when the correction work is smaller. Same thing like feedback with a single ended tube amp: you can correct errors, but you loose some information.
As less errors needed to be corrected, as better the sound.
I did not read all your posts, Carlos. But my question: do you have some measure equipment (scope etc) and do you check your amps this way?
Regards
Franz
BTW:
Do you believe in biwiring or do you know it? 😀
Re: My two cents
My scope is broken, but don't remind me that.
No money to buy another (decent) one...
I've been trusting my ears, with very good results.😀
Franz G said:I did not read all your posts, Carlos. But my question: do you have some measure equipment (scope etc) and do you check your amps this way?
My scope is broken, but don't remind me that.

No money to buy another (decent) one...
I've been trusting my ears, with very good results.😀
SW scope
Carlos
I trust my ears too, but I've seen the TIM on my first steps with GC. I don't say, you have tim...
It saves me alot of time, to look at the scope before listening.
Why not download a free scope software?
http://www.dazyweblabs.com/ds2002/
Franz
Carlos
I trust my ears too, but I've seen the TIM on my first steps with GC. I don't say, you have tim...
It saves me alot of time, to look at the scope before listening.
Why not download a free scope software?
http://www.dazyweblabs.com/ds2002/
Franz
dear franz, there is no doubt about it - the regulated gc is clearly better.......you don't need a scope for that conclusion.......🙂
No doubt
I am just asking 🙂 Of course, I plan to checkout a regulated version, one day.
But: Carlos did not reply within a few minutes, so I think he is downloading a scope.
Franz
I am just asking 🙂 Of course, I plan to checkout a regulated version, one day.
But: Carlos did not reply within a few minutes, so I think he is downloading a scope.
Franz
Re: No doubt
No...
I'm working!
Franz G said:But: Carlos did not reply within a few minutes, so I think he is downloading a scope.
No...
I'm working!

carlosfm said:Oh, wish me good luck for tonight.😀
tbla, I posted this two pages ago, but Nuuk and Neal had been quiet...😀
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