Hiface USB -> I2S 24bit/192Khz

erwincantona · 2010-05-08 3:28 pm

@audiodesign : What bout DAC End. Can it be connected to ? Any modification need to do ?

regal · 2010-05-08 3:29 pm

audiodesign said:
What you think about the use of an Quad-Channel Digital Isolator on output like this one ?

ADUM1400 | Quad-Channel Digital Isolator (4/0 Channel Directionality) | Digital Isolators | Interface | Analog Devices

High data rate: dc to 90 Mbps

or the more common ISO150

Interface - Isolators - ISO150 - TI.com

used in some Burr Brown evaluation board

I think the Hiface need 480 Mbps.

EUVL · 2010-05-08 3:45 pm

480Mbps at I2S outputs for 192kHz ??

Patrick

regal · 2010-05-08 3:52 pm

EUVL said:
480Mbps at I2S outputs for 192kHz ??

Patrick

The way Ayre did it was isolate at the usb side I think its to late to do at the I2S side.

audiodesign · 2010-05-08 4:00 pm

erwincantona,
DAC End use a 18bit 44KHz DAC chip so you can use a more simple USB->SPDIF like in the Cheap system 3
Cheap hi-end system

EUVL · 2010-05-08 4:07 pm

Why is it too late to isolate at the I2S side ?

You can argue that you don't want the noise from the PC to go to the Hiface.
Then you only need 1 isolator at high speed (USB2).

But wouldn't you find it more important to isolate the Hiface (which operates at HF) from the DAC ?
In that case you need 4 channel lower speed, as suggested.

Patrick

agent.5 · 2010-05-08 4:14 pm

I take one.

erwincantona said:
2 x audiodesign
2 x guglielmope
2 x Spartacus
1 x TheShaman
1 x prooptiki
4 x Sidiropa
2 x name_hase
1 x merlin el mago
1 x tassosk
2 x igwt
1 x cyteen
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1 x Regal
2 x Marek
1 x simon dart
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2 x Nickel
1 x h.rav
1 x linuxfan
1 x ginum
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1 x sampler
1 x xavier1000
6 x qusp
1 x kstlfido
1 x UKPD
1 x dglow
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2 x erwincantona
1 x NicMac
1 x Pboden
1 x gaballus
1 x BDL
2 x 456
4 x Smiley 09
1 x tubesguy
1 x VT67
1 X piero7
1 x gluca
1 x arnold23
1 x narinari2106
1 x Javin5
1 x ernesternest
1 x jonners
1 x habsrock93
1 x sharpi31
1 x JimS
1 x fredlock
1 x nik.d
1 x indicator
2x danny_66
1 x GerardA
1 x EUVL
1 x aparatusonitus
1 x UnixMan

1 x agent.5
88 total

qusp · 2010-05-08 4:23 pm

wow these are flying out the door!! but absolutely would be great to find an isolator solution as GB not just because of the group buying power, but also because we have a hive-mind here all focused for the one purpose. I take it 4 x murata SMD traffos would be no good? like used for spdif isolation

Spartacus · 2010-05-08 4:25 pm

regal said:
I think the Hiface need 480 Mbps.

480 Mbps is the specification of the bus itself, not the Hiface. Just because a road is limited to e.g. 70mph, doesn't mean you have to driver that fast!

I measured 3-4 Mbps at 24 bit 44.1KHz. I'll try to do a measurement at 192KHZ in the next few days.

Spartacus · 2010-05-08 4:30 pm

I think we need someone to test one of these ....

USB Interfaces « Circuits@Home

If it's satisfactory for our purposes, we could contact the maker for a GB.

zhoufang · 2010-05-08 4:35 pm

EUVL said:
Why is it too late to isolate at the I2S side ?
Patrick

Beacause the point of this USB to I2S is to get low jitter bit perfect I2S signal.
Isolation adds a lot of jitter, which is ok at the USB end since this solution works async. But if this jitter is added to the I2S, then it missed the whole point of the async system.

qusp · 2010-05-08 4:41 pm

Spartacus said:
I think we need someone to test one of these ....

USB Interfaces « Circuits@Home

If it's satisfactory for our purposes, we could contact the maker for a GB.

they are supposedly limited to 96khz

Spartacus · 2010-05-08 4:55 pm

qusp said:
they are supposedly limited to 96khz

According to .....?

ra7 · 2010-05-08 6:01 pm

one for me.

2 x audiodesign
2 x guglielmope
2 x Spartacus
1 x TheShaman
1 x prooptiki
4 x Sidiropa
2 x name_hase
1 x merlin el mago
1 x tassosk
2 x igwt
1 x cyteen
2 x ccliu
1 x Regal
2 x Marek
1 x simon dart
2 x Nikon1975
2 x Nickel
1 x h.rav
1 x linuxfan
1 x ginum
1 x kannan_s
1 x eloydark
1 x sampler
1 x xavier1000
6 x qusp
1 x kstlfido
1 x UKPD
1 x dglow
1 x leo1311
2 x steve jones
1 x MikeBarton
1 x joschl
2 x anm
1 x barmanekm
1 x cjunkk
2 x erwincantona
1 x NicMac
1 x Pboden
1 x gaballus
1 x BDL
2 x 456
4 x Smiley 09
1 x tubesguy
1 x VT67
1 X piero7
1 x gluca
1 x arnold23
1 x narinari2106
1 x Javin5
1 x ernesternest
1 x jonners
1 x habsrock93
1 x sharpi31
1 x JimS
1 x fredlock
1 x nik.d
1 x indicator
2x danny_66
1 x GerardA
1 x EUVL
1 x aparatusonitus
1 x UnixMan
1 x agent.5
1 x ra7

89 total

momomo67890 · 2010-05-08 6:18 pm

2 x audiodesign
2 x guglielmope
2 x Spartacus
1 x TheShaman
1 x prooptiki
4 x Sidiropa
2 x name_hase
1 x merlin el mago
1 x tassosk
2 x igwt
1 x cyteen
2 x ccliu
1 x Regal
2 x Marek
1 x simon dart
2 x Nikon1975
2 x Nickel
1 x h.rav
1 x linuxfan
1 x ginum
1 x kannan_s
1 x eloydark
1 x sampler
1 x xavier1000
6 x qusp
1 x kstlfido
1 x UKPD
1 x dglow
1 x leo1311
2 x steve jones
1 x MikeBarton
1 x joschl
2 x anm
1 x barmanekm
1 x cjunkk
2 x erwincantona
1 x NicMac
1 x Pboden
1 x gaballus
1 x BDL
2 x 456
4 x Smiley 09
1 x tubesguy
1 x VT67
1 X piero7
1 x gluca
1 x arnold23
1 x narinari2106
1 x Javin5
1 x ernesternest
1 x jonners
1 x habsrock93
1 x sharpi31
1 x JimS
1 x fredlock
1 x nik.d
1 x indicator
2x danny_66
1 x GerardA
1 x EUVL
1 x aparatusonitus
1 x UnixMan
1 x agent.5
1 x ra7
1 x momomo67890

90 total

Jon Ver Halen · 2010-05-08 7:20 pm

Up to 91

two for me.

2 x audiodesign
2 x guglielmope
2 x Spartacus
1 x TheShaman
1 x prooptiki
4 x Sidiropa
2 x name_hase
1 x merlin el mago
1 x tassosk
2 x igwt
1 x cyteen
2 x ccliu
1 x Regal
2 x Marek
1 x simon dart
2 x Nikon1975
2 x Nickel
1 x h.rav
1 x linuxfan
1 x ginum
1 x kannan_s
1 x eloydark
1 x sampler
1 x xavier1000
6 x qusp
1 x kstlfido
1 x UKPD
1 x dglow
1 x leo1311
2 x steve jones
1 x MikeBarton
1 x joschl
2 x anm
1 x barmanekm
1 x cjunkk
2 x erwincantona
1 x NicMac
1 x Pboden
1 x gaballus
1 x BDL
2 x 456
4 x Smiley 09
1 x tubesguy
1 x VT67
1 X piero7
1 x gluca
1 x arnold23
1 x narinari2106
1 x Javin5
1 x ernesternest
1 x jonners
1 x habsrock93
1 x sharpi31
1 x JimS
1 x fredlock
1 x nik.d
1 x indicator
2x danny_66
1 x GerardA
1 x EUVL
1 x aparatusonitus
1 x UnixMan
1 x agent.5
1 x ra7
2 x Jon Ver Halen

91 total

Peter Daniel · 2010-05-08 7:31 pm

2 pcs for me too.

fredlock · 2010-05-08 8:06 pm

audiodesign said:
erwincantona,
DAC End use a 18bit 44KHz DAC chip so you can use a more simple USB->SPDIF like in the Cheap system 3
Cheap hi-end system

Andrea, so you mean to say it will not gonna work with the Dacend 2 at all?

Eric Juaneda · 2010-05-08 8:20 pm

2 pcs for me too.

greggp · 2010-05-08 9:25 pm

I'll take 1,

The list should now be:

2 x audiodesign
2 x guglielmope
2 x Spartacus
1 x TheShaman
1 x prooptiki
4 x Sidiropa
2 x name_hase
1 x merlin el mago
1 x tassosk
2 x igwt
1 x cyteen
2 x ccliu
1 x Regal
2 x Marek
1 x simon dart
2 x Nikon1975
2 x Nickel
1 x h.rav
1 x linuxfan
1 x ginum
1 x kannan_s
1 x eloydark
1 x sampler
1 x xavier1000
6 x qusp
1 x kstlfido
1 x UKPD
1 x dglow
1 x leo1311
2 x steve jones
1 x MikeBarton
1 x joschl
2 x anm
1 x barmanekm
1 x cjunkk
2 x erwincantona
1 x NicMac
1 x Pboden
1 x gaballus
1 x BDL
2 x 456
4 x Smiley 09
1 x tubesguy
1 x VT67
1 X piero7
1 x gluca
1 x arnold23
1 x narinari2106
1 x Javin5
1 x ernesternest
1 x jonners
1 x habsrock93
1 x sharpi31
1 x JimS
1 x fredlock
1 x nik.d
1 x indicator
2x danny_66
1 x GerardA
1 x EUVL
1 x aparatusonitus
1 x UnixMan
1 x agent.5
1 x ra7
2 x Jon Ver Halen
2 x Peter Daniel
2 x Eric Juaneda
1 x greggp

96 total

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