So if Waki don't hear it , it doesn't exist ................🙄
The Problem here Waki, is that you have no auditory experience when it comes to evaluating audio systems or sound IMO...Your past challenge speaks for itself, now you are demanding immediate discovery
My stance hasn't changed, Not all burned disc sound the same and if you have been following along you would have known that.
So did all 4 disc sound the same ...... 🙄
Well obviously it doesn't exist for waki.😀 But I think the point here is for those who do hear it - describe it in more detail so that others can repeat the experiment if they so choose. Its really not helpful in terms of progressing our understanding to say 'I burned Y disks and heard differences'. What we need is the details of the systems and conditions and content under which you heard differences - that's why waki's example is a good one (irrespective of his results), he described his methodology in a lot of detail. Kudos for that🙂
And then there is the Foobar ABX thing. It should not be hard to do.
So did you at least verify that the burned discs had no errors? You've never said.
And not just no errors in the drive that burned them, but no errors on the playback device.
Well you know the software being used and it is all self verification. I'm incorporating others you have suggested and will burn 1 disc from each software and then compare.
I do intend to,
1. Recurit 3 others ...
2. Use 2 different audio systems and along with my Sennhieser headphones..
3. Details of the electronics involved will be disclosed along with the Music track being selected which will be checked for clipping .
4. Intent will be to determine if A. anyone can hear differences between the reference disc and the burned copies B. then their subjective reasoning, likes dislikes etc ..
5. This will not happen until next week , i do hope Waki can hang on ............
This is my intent ....... 😎
No, it is NOT - as far as I can tell. That was my point. But you can check it after the fact with other software. (You may have to re-rip)
Glad to hear that you will run the tests. I certainly suggest the Foobar ABX plugin, as it will lend great credence to you tests.
Rock on Wayne! 😀
Is it completely out of the question that the 'poweramp' bit has had some subliminal effect on loudness?
Wtg wayne😎
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Entirely plausible hypothesis. How to test it - get someone to develop 'dBresistivedivider' and run sighted listening? 🙂
A question for the more... outre fellows. If I rip a CD to a thumb drive and rip the same CD to a hard drive, then burn CDs from each of those, will the CDs sound different from one another? Will they sound different than the original CD?
No it won't.
What will lend credibility to the tests is a published methodology that incontrovertably prevents pollution of the results by participants having knowledge of which item is being tested.
The equipment or software employed is irrelevant. To suggest that the use of a particular piece of software 'lends credence' is naiive at best and mischevous at worst.
This is why I don't stop participating in the thread, pano. I went through this in the RF Attenuators thread. I can't trust you guys to keep your eye on the ball.
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Gee thanks Waki. That was very helpful - not.
A step away from uncontrolled test to at least some blind ABX procedure is not going in the right direction?
A step away from uncontrolled test to at least some blind ABX procedure is not going in the right direction?
Did you burn 4 different cd's and compare them as discussed.... can't keep your eye on the ball ?
Funny you are willing to discount the value of what we are attempting with, well naught. Do you even listen to music Waki? I noticed you used your wife's CD , do you have any for yourself. No wonder you are quick to denounce others, who actually listen and have to Live with this stuff..
An assumption made about something before having adequate knowledge to determine the results sounds like "Prejudice" to me ... 🙄
Now toddle off and Burn those 4 disc ....
Not sure Sy,
We have only ripped from HDD. Might give the jump Drive a try if we have the time. Since most burn from HDD then this is were we are concentrating our efforts.
When ripped from HDD we sometimes hear a difference from the original. It happens enuff , so much so that if the recording is something you treasure , we usually buy direct from the source instead of ripping, say from reference recording, , Telarc et al ..
regards,
We have only ripped from HDD. Might give the jump Drive a try if we have the time. Since most burn from HDD then this is were we are concentrating our efforts.
When ripped from HDD we sometimes hear a difference from the original. It happens enuff , so much so that if the recording is something you treasure , we usually buy direct from the source instead of ripping, say from reference recording, , Telarc et al ..
regards,
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OK, thanks; so let me ask it this way- if I take a file from an HDD, burn it on a CD, then rip it back to the HDD, will the two (i.e., the original file on the HDD and the ripped to CD/ripped back to HDD file) sound different?
I dont know, my only experience with this is the burned disc from the Hdd sounds different from the original.
And you're still happy to repeatedly say this in open forum with no supporting evidence?
And the difference remains or goes away when the file on the burned disk is copied back to HDD?
And you'd still be happy to repeatedly say it in this thread despite the fact that it bears no relevance to the topic of this thread?
The signal to noise ratio in this thread is nearly as bad as the one it was split from a few days ago due to signal to noise ratio problems.
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