Have you discovered a digital source, that satisfies you, as much as your Turntable?

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And before this digital lark, turntables and tapemashines and tuners were most satifying to have a play with. re-arming and re-plinthing my old Transcriptor Skeleton, was so much fun, that I have never stopped. I fully understand people sticking to the mechanical high fidelity. after all there was good sound in the 20's. Why wouldnt it be good today ?
 
This goes back to the time that the mosfet came on to the market. After a gestation period of x, Hitachi decided it must be a good component for an amplifier.
So they made one. It measured superbly in all electrical tests and was described as the perfect amplifier.

The only problem was that people did not like it.

Not measurable accurate, but as good as my memory
 
I should have said I was referring to an earlier couple of posts regarding fault finding! and resolving issues...

If you do not measure and record what is happening (this includes DBT listening tests and subjective listening) all you will do is go round in circles... I am sorry to disappoint but it is called development and the only way to design and improve things...
We can all quote anecdotes of when things go wrong in engineering, but it still dose not diminish the fact that proper engineering practice is the only real way to make improvements, whatever some may believe and how many anecdotes are thrown in the mix..... most unproven by DBTs.
DBT and subjective listening tests are part of the development cycle and like measurements results should be recorded and correlated with design changes....
 
Because I'm not listening for something being "better", I'm listening for the absence of a fault, or flaw. A car analogy would be, most people are looking for the acceleration to be more "exciting"; I'm looking for the car momentarily hesitating, and a cylinder not firing cleanly when I put my foot down. IOW, I'm pinpointing precisely where the sound is incorrect, and only worrying whether that symptom improves or not - I have zero interest in whether it sounds 'better', because that comes automatically when the defects are eliminated.

Does a mechanic swap a good part with a bad, back and forth, to make sure he's fixed the car? No, he knows how the car should work, and that is his sole criterion - to make it work more "correctly".

One needs to build up a test box of recordings, that highlight system weaknesses - a car manufacturer creates a test track, of nasty variations of flawed road surfaces; that's how he knows that his designer's suspension is working as well as it is able to.

So there is no protocol and no method of verification that would enable comment.

Thanks.
 
drewburn said:
In Hi Fi if it sounds good it is good.
No. In hi-fi it has to sound like a reasonable copy of the original sound; sounding "good" is a matter of taste, so some prefer it to sound somewhat different from the original. This is not hi-fi, but perfectly OK as long as they don't insist that their preferred modification is somehow more true to the original than a smaller modification.
 
I should have said I was referring to an earlier couple of posts regarding fault finding! and resolving issues...

If you do not measure and record what is happening (this includes DBT listening tests and subjective listening) all you will do is go round in circles... I am sorry to disappoint but it is called development and the only way to design and improve things...
We can all quote anecdotes of when things go wrong in engineering, but it still dose not diminish the fact that proper engineering practice is the only real way to make improvements, whatever some may believe and how many anecdotes are thrown in the mix..... most unproven by DBTs.
DBT and subjective listening tests are part of the development cycle and like measurements results should be recorded and correlated with design changes....

Bingo!

This reminds me of the joke where an audiophile keeps moving his speakers around the room, and they sound better and better each time he moves them. After a time, he finds he's moved them back to the original location....
 
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