You should step back and try to hear the difference in a BLIND test. As in listening just with your ears, not with your eyes.
Have YOU done that in a blind test? (And what was the result if you have?)
Have YOU done that in a blind test? (And what was the result if you have?)
You have just fallen into another standard trap for the subjectivist believer when questioned about if he has ever tried proving he can hear these huge differences.
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As Jay has commented, this is not about whether it "seems to be right", it's about assessing whether it can be improved or not, from the subjective POV. If such things don't concern you, or you are not sensitive to the variations, or you're perfectly content with what you have now, that's fine - but that thinking doesn't apply to everyone. Hence, the topic of this thread ...Well you and Frank do seem to be going round and round with your replay never seaming to be right, so maybe stepping back and adopting and using some more controlled assessment than relying on our fickle human hearing memory only would help determine the real problems from the perceived.
If it sounds better, then it is better! That's the fundamental - there's no "fickle memory" in it - if you go to a hifi show then you'll walk into a room, and want to immediately turn around and get out and away from the sound; and in another room you'll settle down for a long period and just go with the music, it's a nice place to be. Did you need a DBT, or "incompetent" memory to work that out? That's the arena in which I and others work - we are looking for those differences.
Just checked that - and it's been that way all along. I would imagine that the changes I've been hearing would have been far less distinct, if not for that being set.4. Ensure that "Allow applications to take exclusive control of this device" and "Give exclusive mode applications priority" are both enabled.
Have YOU done that in a blind test? (And what was the result if you have?)
Yes. I could tell the difference sighted, but the difference vanished when listening blind.
Have YOU done it?
fas42
where have you been ?
come with me and I will show you something that'll make you change your mind.
And it doesn't even hurt badly.
where have you been ?
come with me and I will show you something that'll make you change your mind.
And it doesn't even hurt badly.
What was the timing between doing those two types of tests? Did you do the blind variation soon after the sighted?Yes. I could tell the difference sighted, but the difference vanished when listening blind.
Have YOU done it?
The only way it could be valid is to come in fresh, and do the DBT alone; then allow a major period to elapse so that you refresh, and just do the sighted, etc.
Why? Because human hearing is not dumb, it quickly learns to interpolate, to make the poorer match the better - I've certainly experienced this. And the solution is to come in completely fresh to the situation - you "surprise" the senses with the experience, don't give them time to adapt and settle into a pattern, a routine.
To the Casbah ... ?fas42
where have you been ?
come with me and I will show you something that'll make you change your mind.
And it doesn't even hurt badly.
What was the timing between doing those two types of tests? Did you do the blind variation soon after the sighted?
The only way it could be valid is to come in fresh, and do the DBT alone; then allow a major period to elapse so that you refresh, and just do the sighted, etc.
Why? Because human hearing is not dumb, it quickly learns to interpolate, to make the poorer match the better - I've certainly experienced this. And the solution is to come in completely fresh to the situation - you "surprise" the senses with the experience, don't give them time to adapt and settle into a pattern, a routine.
So let me get this straight.... rather than ask why I suggested doing a blind test with the two amps in Jay's post, your response is to attempt to discredit me?
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That's a brilliant video of stone face - I didn't see him emote once - in top form ...
Nooo discrediting happenin' - just mentioning what happens in my experience - if I were to do such a test I would take great care in having those aspects sorted out.
Nooo discrediting happenin' - just mentioning what happens in my experience - if I were to do such a test I would take great care in having those aspects sorted out.
So you have either no interest in the suggestion or you know why I made it....
If the former, I have no idea why you're responding, if the latter, perhaps you could explain the line of reasoning? ie, where was that all headed?
If the former, I have no idea why you're responding, if the latter, perhaps you could explain the line of reasoning? ie, where was that all headed?
I had to go right back, and find out what the original point was. Which was, that amplifiers sound different, sighted - and not so, unsighted ... where I was sort of heading was that unless the conditions for doing something like DBT are extremely well set up, and under the total control of the participant, then it is highly likely that relatively poor quality data will result - "proving" nothing.
where it gets tricky
is when the participants have no control
over why they are trying to sense anything.
is when the participants have no control
over why they are trying to sense anything.
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