I will not use Windows for such purpose but I think it will never as good as real CD player, Frank. Why? I think the default switching power supply can become a bottleneck sooner or later.
Everything and anything can be a problem, or not be a problem - I have a typical, cheap no-name switching mode brick driving the laptop, and I get the best sound when that supply is charging up the battery. All systems are a balance of everything, there is no, "the correct way!" - the only thing that counts is how good the sound is that you're hearing, everything else is secondary to that, 🙂.
Everything and anything can be a problem, or not be a problem - I have a typical, cheap no-name switching mode brick driving the laptop, and I get the best sound when that supply is charging up the battery. All systems are a balance of everything, there is no, "the correct way!" - the only thing that counts is how good the sound is that you're hearing, everything else is secondary to that, 🙂.
I understand that 🙂
I hate CD player because it is not convenient to operate. Maintaining the disc itself is not convenient. But generic computers have their own issues. Of course there are better modern solutions, but still beyond average DIY skill to produce it. Money, Frank 😀
But you are trying to play CD through your laptop, aren't you?! That would be less convenient than using CD player.
Now tell me, which one is better sounding: (1) playing CD through your laptop (2) playing equal WAV/FLAC through your laptop (3) playing CD through your CD player.
Go on, have the last word, you'll still be wrong
+1000
The unwelcome, sociopathic sarcasm is easily the least offensive part of the stream of 'misknowledge' coming from fas42 throughout this thread. I see an inverse correlation between knowledge and bluster. You are not alone, mate, it's quite common. But still offensive nonetheless.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart. As usual, of course, the people who would gain the most from taking your comments on board, are the very people who are least likely to do so.
People with fixated perceptions need to recognize what is going on behind the forehead, that provides the fixity. It's called bias.
Insisting that the sort of perceptions being quoted above must be in the sound waves, and nothing to do with biased perceptual processing, is arrogant and ignorant in the first order. It is also as common as dog's whiskers in audio forums. So many people have NO GRASP of the process that they are partaking in, and think they are in a position to judge one element of the process, the gear, while ignoring that one can't make such judgments while actually being one of the variables -- unless steps are taken to control themselves as a variable. No-one posting on forums does this. Big Mistake.
This thread is probably another example of why audio reproduction as a hobby is not moving forward or gaining a larger younger audience....
So many miss founded negative myths surrounding digital, yet lp playback is presented in a golden glowing light...
A good look at the facts regarding both media may be called for and a good dose of reality, and them maybe we can move foreword and attract a wider younger audience to chapion god fidelity replay for the next generation....
+1000
Very much so, gino, 😉 ... this is nothing about the distortion from the LP replay, it's about, gasp!!, distortion from the digital replay. Objectivists will now pound the desk with clenched fists, eyes bulging and veins on forehead throbbing 😀 - but, unfortunately, that is indeed what happens. It's the sort of thing that once you become aware of it, then you can easily pick it happening - the replay chain is not, double gasp!!, perfect ...
The unwelcome, sociopathic sarcasm is easily the least offensive part of the stream of 'misknowledge' coming from fas42 throughout this thread. I see an inverse correlation between knowledge and bluster. You are not alone, mate, it's quite common. But still offensive nonetheless.
I do honestly think there is far to much mystique surrounding digital audio and audio in general, a lot created by the parasites who sell certain products, that create and promote these myths to further there own addenda's and there are far to many who just accept the emperors new clothes without question.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart. As usual, of course, the people who would gain the most from taking your comments on board, are the very people who are least likely to do so.
Hi i do not know you but if i am really honest i have not got musical satisfaction for digital ever, no matter how hard i tried.
With a cheap plastic turntable from Pioneer and a phono preamp from Nad and a LP i am able to get immediately music.
I do not know if it is the cd, the recording, the player or whatever
Digital is "often" very not musical.
And also the ability to give back a very good virtual soundstage with digital is a huge challenge, much more than with analog.
This is my experience at least.
Regards, gino
People with fixated perceptions need to recognize what is going on behind the forehead, that provides the fixity. It's called bias.
Insisting that the sort of perceptions being quoted above must be in the sound waves, and nothing to do with biased perceptual processing, is arrogant and ignorant in the first order. It is also as common as dog's whiskers in audio forums. So many people have NO GRASP of the process that they are partaking in, and think they are in a position to judge one element of the process, the gear, while ignoring that one can't make such judgments while actually being one of the variables -- unless steps are taken to control themselves as a variable. No-one posting on forums does this. Big Mistake.
Hi i think that audio with pcs is more a matter of SW than HW.
SW implies:
- bios
- OS
- pleayer SW
any of these elements can have a very remarkable impact on overall sound.
Even some different settings in the bios can change the sound.
I read, and i tend to agree, that simpler OS for instance not overloaded with features can have more chance to sound good.
I have been able to get nice noises out of the usb port of a cheap Android media player loaded with the Usb Audio Player pro app.
Some compatible usb dacs work quite well with this app.
The overall cost is nothing, like 100 USD for the player and 10 USD for the app.
Then you need a compatible usb dac or usb to spdif converter, like the one i have here.
Regards, gino
SW implies:
- bios
- OS
- pleayer SW
any of these elements can have a very remarkable impact on overall sound.
Even some different settings in the bios can change the sound.
I read, and i tend to agree, that simpler OS for instance not overloaded with features can have more chance to sound good.
I have been able to get nice noises out of the usb port of a cheap Android media player loaded with the Usb Audio Player pro app.
Some compatible usb dacs work quite well with this app.
The overall cost is nothing, like 100 USD for the player and 10 USD for the app.
Then you need a compatible usb dac or usb to spdif converter, like the one i have here.
Regards, gino
But the same coming from an objectivist, say, Mr Nasty, is very welcome indeed - perhaps, 😉 ...The unwelcome, sociopathic sarcasm is easily the least offensive part of the stream of 'misknowledge' coming from fas42 throughout this thread. I see an inverse correlation between knowledge and bluster. You are not alone, mate, it's quite common. But still offensive nonetheless.
Well, at least we know who to sell the dud products to ... 😎.Insisting that the sort of perceptions being quoted above must be in the sound waves, and nothing to do with biased perceptual processing, is arrogant and ignorant in the first order. It is also as common as dog's whiskers in audio forums. So many people have NO GRASP of the process that they are partaking in, and think they are in a position to judge one element of the process, the gear, while ignoring that one can't make such judgments while actually being one of the variables -- unless steps are taken to control themselves as a variable. No-one posting on forums does this. Big Mistake.
None of the above 🙂 ... you're falling into the same trap, Jay, thinking that the magic comes when the replay is using the 'right' gear. IME it doesn't work that way, it's the quality of the final system that counts - and that can be done any which way. I've heard sastisfying from cheap and nasty, and run from the room, hands over ears, unpleasantness from very OTT, "engineered" gear - it always depends ...Now tell me, which one is better sounding: (1) playing CD through your laptop (2) playing equal WAV/FLAC through your laptop (3) playing CD through your CD player.
My interest is discovering the factors that switch this aspect of the sound on and off, and the fact that there is so much grubby sound out there, still, demonstrates that plenty of learning is still needed.
unless steps are taken to control themselves as a variable. No-one posting on forums does this.
Ahem.
Ahem.
😀 Good we have SY for taking the role.
When I went to another audio site and I read very long thread where people are sharing and acknowledging something stupid that I know was wrong and nobody was dare to say "you are wrong", I remembered and realized how important it is to have some kind of "balancer/controller" in DIYAudio site.
When I was young I have been myself banned from indigo group, paranormal and supra-natural sites for playing the devil advocate.
But everyone have different knowledge and experience and we can appreciate different things. When it comes to science and engineering, I don't really need DIYAudio site. But I do appreciate those with real experience and whatever they have to say, or think...
None of the above 🙂 ... you're falling into the same trap, Jay, thinking that the magic comes when the replay is using the 'right' gear.
It is a genuinely simple question, Frank. You will learn from the answers.
Jay
I see you have reached Nirvana.
How is it ?
😀 What Nirvana???
Audio enjoyment? It is not good. Like dope. You have temporary enjoyment but what will follow is an everlasting problem...
I have experienced where I couldn't stay away from listening to the system. I almost gone crazy when I have to go abroad for work...
I consistently came to work late just because I didn't want to turn the system off. And at night I knew I will have a problem if I didn't go to sleep, but you know it, I prefer to stay awake...
It's more hell than nirvana 😀
Don't you love the Internet !! An ad popped up here for Texas Instruments, on my Subscriptions page, and for the first time ever I clicked on it, it was possibly interesting ... and got
... gotta love it ...
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... gotta love it ...
So, what are the answers ... 🙂 ?
It's about your laptop, software and CD player. You have the answer, I don't.
You have changed settings here and there and played CD through your Foobar and laptop. How did it compare to your CD player (whatever the brand or DAC chip being used)?
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