A general question regarding the biasing.
I cannot get the op amp to work if I bias the negative terminal. Do I have to bias the negative terminal differently to the positive one?
I cannot get the op amp to work if I bias the negative terminal. Do I have to bias the negative terminal differently to the positive one?
Bias is always at non inverting (+) input. Inverting (-) is for feedback purposes generally speaking in audio uses.
You can feedback to NI to make a Schmitt Trigger, not usual in audio gear.
You can feedback to NI to make a Schmitt Trigger, not usual in audio gear.
Ltspice models offer internal bias all the time.Whether you offer it or not externally to an op amp , it assumes the input has a bias anyway.That's why some simulations can't be done properly.Op07 is a jfet anyway.If you place film caps at the input, the only bias current would be the internal leakage current if there is one.If you place an electrolitic cap you don't need resistor bias, it will bias the op amp with the cap's leakage current.
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The OP-07 is an op-amp with bipolar input, but with base current compensation.
Yes, this is a general practical Problem with single supply, half bridge Power stages. I had same problems with TDA2003Waveform is not horrible and must not sound that bad, (except to those who listen with their eyes 😉 ), any low or no feedback single ended tube amp can easily show a similar shaped one.
Or even a PP one when one power tube is weaker/more worn than the other.
But here we have a very high feedback power "Op Amp" which by definition must be way more linear and symmetrical, so we DO have a problem.
No sharp clipping, apparently top half is more current limited than the lower one, which shouldn´t happen, chip designers will make both equally capable, at least within frated specs.
2 possibilities (may be others, of course)
1) the resist or is not 10 ohm but lower, measure it.
2) you have a serious wiring/grounding problem
If the input ground reference is taken along the speaker return path, any somewhat resistive return path (I do NOT trust much protoboard contacts with more than a few mA) will develop an Audio signal.
In some cases it adds to input signal (since input ground is not really ground but an AC point) and one half becomes larger, the other smaller.
Don´t ask how I found out 🙄
Plagued many breadboard prototypes and poor early PCB designs.
I suggest speaker return goes on its own cable straight to power supply negative, not even approaching the Protoboard.
By the way, what is the value of the supply main capacitor?
Add, say, 2200 or 4700uF in parallel with supply output, any change?
My point being: probably you have nothing broken there, just poor layout/grounding.
Which no simulation will show, of course.
I see now...then it offers internal bias anyway...The OP-07 is an op-amp with bipolar input, but with base current compensation.
EVEN IF signed by TI themselves, the example you circled DOES NOT WORK.I'm wondering because in this TI manual they show this case and it also works in ltspice.
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The + input NEEDS a DC path to some reference voltage, as shown it has none (the capacitor blocks DC).
Not even TI can disregard the Laws of Physics.
The schematic now looks like this.
A few of you suggested a FET input stage. Since it will be both an audio and a guitar amp I want to stick to the NE5532.
In the first stage (buffer) the signal is transformed from high impedance to low impedance output. The 1k input resistor helps to reduce the fizzle. The sound loses a tiny bit of the high frequencies but to me it sounds more pleasant.
In the pre amp stage there is a simple low pass filter, the gain control and the volume control.
Please feel free to comment.
And a general question regarding the connection of a tone pot. You can but you don't have to connect lug 1 ?
Electronically it does not make a difference, right?
A few of you suggested a FET input stage. Since it will be both an audio and a guitar amp I want to stick to the NE5532.
In the first stage (buffer) the signal is transformed from high impedance to low impedance output. The 1k input resistor helps to reduce the fizzle. The sound loses a tiny bit of the high frequencies but to me it sounds more pleasant.
In the pre amp stage there is a simple low pass filter, the gain control and the volume control.
Please feel free to comment.
And a general question regarding the connection of a tone pot. You can but you don't have to connect lug 1 ?
Electronically it does not make a difference, right?
I don't really see the point of the buffer circuit. It has about the same input impedance as the clipping amplifier, right?
C3 and C9 seems severely exagerated in their values. 1mF and 10K make a 10second time constant, that is, will take about this time to get the 63% of its final voltage value, which is tremendously high. 1uf suffices.
okay, you convinced me to try a FET op amp. I will try the OPA2134 and see if there are any measurable differences.That's true. You better go for a good FET op-amp like OPA1678 and a cheap pot than vice versa.
the idea is to distribute the different "tasks" to dedicated stages.I don't really see the point of the buffer circuit. It has about the same input impedance as the clipping amplifier, right?
C3 and C9 seems severely exagerated in their values.
I guess no time constants or highpass frequencies were calculated, values were chosen "because they were seen somewhere else"
Similar with 100 ohm in series with power amp output.
This design is a collage.
The input impedance is still way too low, unless you only want to use it with active guitars. Guitar pickups are inductive so have a much higher impedance at the frequencies where the harmonics and the 'tone' happen. You can expect a very dull, lifeless tone with low impedance input. Why not configure the input stage as non-inverting? You could then make R1 1M (though this might be a bit high for the 5532, I'd use a 072) and Rimpedance1 10M.
That 100 ohm at the power amp output needs to go.
edit: I misssed that!
That 100 ohm at the power amp output needs to go.
edit: I misssed that!
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