Here in the capital area they are working on 'lowering the gas price' by offsetting some of the current carbon fuel based heating with a 1,000,000 m3 cavern thermal energy storage with a storage capacity of 90 GWh of energy, planned completion by 2026.
https://www.vantaanenergia.fi/en/fo...thermal-energy-storage-to-be-built-in-vantaa/
https://www.vantaanenergia.fi/en/fo...thermal-energy-storage-to-be-built-in-vantaa/
Jan, post #680 refers to which country?
I got a two month power bill of $40, not much AC use, but I expect it to double in summer.
As for gas prices, the conflict is now old enough for the markets to have assessed its impact, and the energy suppliers to make alternate arrangements for supplies to Europe, which were disrupted how much?
There is enough time for new stock to be in place for the summer vacation season starting July.
I had earlier also said that the impact of this conflict was being blown out of proportion.
Domestic power in the highest slab is about 12 cents per kWh here, and our folks say it is expensive!
I got a two month power bill of $40, not much AC use, but I expect it to double in summer.
As for gas prices, the conflict is now old enough for the markets to have assessed its impact, and the energy suppliers to make alternate arrangements for supplies to Europe, which were disrupted how much?
There is enough time for new stock to be in place for the summer vacation season starting July.
I had earlier also said that the impact of this conflict was being blown out of proportion.
Domestic power in the highest slab is about 12 cents per kWh here, and our folks say it is expensive!
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Actually 12 cents/kw is expensive although i pay like 20 cents/kw because my goverment gets in huge debts to external banks by buying 70% of the actual kwhr price from private smart entities as they sell 1kwhr for 1 full euro...The real energy price was masked by governments through debt to international monetary funds...Now why is that? Because the same goverments either sold out and externalized the state infrastructure to private foreign companies or didn't improve the state companies energy making efficiency while getting mixed into international or national schemes in order to hide managerial incompetence, thefts and so on...
That happens every where, political stuff.
If I put my own panels, my bill becomes almost zero, due to incentives, and I am paid for the power generated.
I pay for power used, and the difference then becomes silly money, a few dollars.
And that is insulated, as their purchase and selling prices are close.
Long term, a good deal, and quite common here.
If I put my own panels, my bill becomes almost zero, due to incentives, and I am paid for the power generated.
I pay for power used, and the difference then becomes silly money, a few dollars.
And that is insulated, as their purchase and selling prices are close.
Long term, a good deal, and quite common here.
If you know the genesis of the first hacker and first hackspace in the world you know a lot more about the energy calculation price, debts , banks and politics than most people in the world.
@mchambin
0 deaths is not the whole story.
Japan had just suffered a catastrophic earthquake/tsunami, the worst since the 1923 Kanto earthquake. Close to 20,000 people died. Multiple coastal towns in Miyagi and Iwate, to the north of Fukushima, were wiped off the map; you've seen the pictures. People were cut off. Power in the Tohoku and Kanto region, including Tokyo, was off in many places in the first day after the quake, and restricted in the days and weeks to follow. Transport services, particularly rail, were crippled. There were mass evacuations in Tohoku because of the tsunami destruction. Search operations to find people alive under the wreckage. Winter conditions, and delivering food, drink and medical services a serious problem. Because of the magnitude of the earthquake, there were frequent heavy aftershocks (the eastern coast of Honshu, particularly Fukushima and Miyagi, continues to be very seismically active since 2011).
This was a huge disaster response crisis for Japan; which made it absolutely the worst time to face a full-blown nuclear emergency. Because of the Fukushima meltdowns, an additional 180,000 people were evacuated. They left at short notice, and many were unable to return to their homes for years. On March 11, 2021, ten years after the accident, 35,000 were still under evacuation orders.
Longer term issues:
Food production and fisheries in the Fukushima region have been damaged.
The cost of the Fukushima disaster has been estimated so far at around $200 billion, although that is likely an optimistic estimate, and there are also additional direct and indirect costs, many of which will never be properly accounted for. And most people in the area took some kind of financial hit from this. This is an insane cost from a single power station.
The cleanup will take decades, with no one able to say accurately exactly how long is required or what it will cost.
TEPCO will probably never generate nuclear power again. All its Fukushima reactors are to be decommissioned. What's left is the 7 reactors in Niigata, which had closed several years before 2011 due to a lesser accident following an earthquake. It is doubtful that they will be permitted to restart these.
Of the 49 reactors in Japan in 2011, all were eventually idled. After some restarts over the years - the low-hanging fruit, and obviously none of them operated by TEPCO - a total of 9 (at 5 power plants) are currently operating. Plans to increase nuclear from (at best) 30% in 2011 to 50% are now obviously impossible. Most reactors are never going to resume operation: so far, 24 are scheduled for decommissioning or already being decommissioned. For nuclear power in Japan, conditions have changed drastically, and 11 years of idled reactors are the reality, while the government's stated intent to focus heavily on nuclear in the future is both a fantasy and an impossibility.
0 deaths, but one hell of a costly and consequential disaster.
Well, about Fukushima.
0 deaths is not the whole story.
Japan had just suffered a catastrophic earthquake/tsunami, the worst since the 1923 Kanto earthquake. Close to 20,000 people died. Multiple coastal towns in Miyagi and Iwate, to the north of Fukushima, were wiped off the map; you've seen the pictures. People were cut off. Power in the Tohoku and Kanto region, including Tokyo, was off in many places in the first day after the quake, and restricted in the days and weeks to follow. Transport services, particularly rail, were crippled. There were mass evacuations in Tohoku because of the tsunami destruction. Search operations to find people alive under the wreckage. Winter conditions, and delivering food, drink and medical services a serious problem. Because of the magnitude of the earthquake, there were frequent heavy aftershocks (the eastern coast of Honshu, particularly Fukushima and Miyagi, continues to be very seismically active since 2011).
This was a huge disaster response crisis for Japan; which made it absolutely the worst time to face a full-blown nuclear emergency. Because of the Fukushima meltdowns, an additional 180,000 people were evacuated. They left at short notice, and many were unable to return to their homes for years. On March 11, 2021, ten years after the accident, 35,000 were still under evacuation orders.
Longer term issues:
Food production and fisheries in the Fukushima region have been damaged.
The cost of the Fukushima disaster has been estimated so far at around $200 billion, although that is likely an optimistic estimate, and there are also additional direct and indirect costs, many of which will never be properly accounted for. And most people in the area took some kind of financial hit from this. This is an insane cost from a single power station.
The cleanup will take decades, with no one able to say accurately exactly how long is required or what it will cost.
TEPCO will probably never generate nuclear power again. All its Fukushima reactors are to be decommissioned. What's left is the 7 reactors in Niigata, which had closed several years before 2011 due to a lesser accident following an earthquake. It is doubtful that they will be permitted to restart these.
Of the 49 reactors in Japan in 2011, all were eventually idled. After some restarts over the years - the low-hanging fruit, and obviously none of them operated by TEPCO - a total of 9 (at 5 power plants) are currently operating. Plans to increase nuclear from (at best) 30% in 2011 to 50% are now obviously impossible. Most reactors are never going to resume operation: so far, 24 are scheduled for decommissioning or already being decommissioned. For nuclear power in Japan, conditions have changed drastically, and 11 years of idled reactors are the reality, while the government's stated intent to focus heavily on nuclear in the future is both a fantasy and an impossibility.
0 deaths, but one hell of a costly and consequential disaster.
Here is an answer to the typical arguments anti nuke spread about Fukushima, mixing issues from the tsunami which was the actual catastrophe.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-nuclear-power-for-first-time-since-fukushima
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-nuclear-power-for-first-time-since-fukushima
tonyEE:
Get hold of a natural gas powered generator.
Much cheaper than grid.
Put solar panels.
Get A/c serviced, unless the compressor is worn out, not much changes in performance, mostly marketing hype.
Niigata in Japan made small turbines to run on gas, 40kW and up.
Maybe your 'hood could start a common electric plant.
Get hold of a natural gas powered generator.
Much cheaper than grid.
Put solar panels.
Get A/c serviced, unless the compressor is worn out, not much changes in performance, mostly marketing hype.
Niigata in Japan made small turbines to run on gas, 40kW and up.
Maybe your 'hood could start a common electric plant.
The logic of installing reactors in an earthquake prone area was questionable. T
The Pacific Ring of Fire is an active seismic zone.
Among the reasons the Indian government told suppliers to be fully responsible, from plant to fuel cycle.
The Pacific Ring of Fire is an active seismic zone.
Among the reasons the Indian government told suppliers to be fully responsible, from plant to fuel cycle.
As D's post further above reads, the situation here is quite similar with the now formerly state owned energy grid among other privatizations, and last autumn electricity prices roughly doubled blamed on a variety of engineered and manufactured matters, understandably the citizens are quite upset being illicitly deprived and levied, grievously a precarious and malicious interference beyond mere venal heads and borders.
This is similar to what goes on with the greens in France, our electricity bills are boosted to finance useless wind mills where nobody living near by can stand.
Wind mills we buy from Denmark and Germany. A mess originated by the German greens. Well, they are about 50% dependant on Russian gas, they cannot continue to hide the mess and can only restart coal their plants. The cannot deny this ecology disaster. Trouble is they pushed France in that mess.
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