Audio cables of different properties sounding different is already known. There is a chart for speaker cable length and conductor thickness for hi-fi setup.
Good to see your remaining parts are still holding together. And I don't want to know where FAS42 is posting now
Yes, reminders of the Bybee threads they took a few members down.
It's not exclusive to audio. I read cycling forum where the same heated exchanges take place on subjects like how to increase speed, which bicycle frame is more aerodynamic, what does lighter bicycle do or don't do for the rider... etc. I've seen cussing over chain lube claims.Then there are shills who do the same thing you see here.
Ever been on a sailing forum before? There are people who will argue about the value of spending $2500 to save half a pound, arguments over the benefits of low-stretch halyards, and then the ever-continuing discussion about sails... Then someone inevitably points out that all of that is a moot point if you miss one shift that your competitor didn't miss, so you're better off spending money on coaches.
Note that this probably doesn't occur in the world of cruising (not that I would know), but it's certainly the case in racing. Of course, cusswords are contraband on this forum, while they typically aren't on sailing forums.
Honestly, sometimes I do visit other forums, and I'm reminded that this place is probably in the top 1% when it comes to audio forums.
As much as I can get aggravated by the "subjectivists" who blow off engineering, I spent some time reading a few threads over on ASR (Audio Science Review), and it reminded me of the other side of the other issue in this regard, which is relying too heavily on too few measurements.
To be clear, ASR is a great forum and it's nice to see some good objective reviews. Objective measurements are a good thing, however, it's important to remember that there is a big difference between "can't be measured" and "isn't being measured".
I think this forum generally has a healthy balance of the two.
Sounds like same dance different tune. But what about shills, do they post there too?
I'm wary of that forum because the founder / administrator of that forum owns a boutique electronics store and his online efforts have been geared towards promoting the sales for his store.
Hello all,
Very few people know how to conduct a proper test and no way are the audio media going to tell them.
Please download this and read all of it.
And do please take a look at this, my own tests done in a similar manner.
Cheers
Very few people know how to conduct a proper test and no way are the audio media going to tell them.
Please download this and read all of it.
And do please take a look at this, my own tests done in a similar manner.
Cheers
Cryo treatment absolutely affects the metal. You can take a batch of drill bits split it in half and cryo one half and then cnc drill holes and see how long they last. The cryo drills will outperform the non cryo by almost 2 to 1. So if its changing the metal enough to change performance that much it is plausable it affects sound. I am not saying it does. I am just saying there is a valid reason to think it might.
I used to build cyro coolers at my last job. Once dropped a screwdriver into a dewar with liquid nitrogen. Had to boil off the nitrogen to retrieve it. After that it was the best screw driver I ever used. Screwed screws like no other, I had to hide it from the other techs and assemblers.
Have you ever watched TV show called MythBusters? They use the term plausible after some investigation via objective tests to see if the rumor / claims / theories hold water. Have you seen or read about the listening test of cryo treated audio cables?
Validity would come after some level investigation, no?
I remember when I regularly went to that hifi-shop to drool at those mark levinson, onix and other brands, connected by inch-thick wires...I once was chatting about cables and made a joke—to place the cables in perfect horizontal position for perfection... he said nothing until he saw my grin...
But I am certainly susceptible to cable-magic just because it’s fun (and I once was concinced I heard a difference)...
Correction. It affects IRON. Not copper, not silver. Oh and the fancy pants superconducting stuff Jneutron uses.
Lead doesn't like cryo treatment which is why IBM never got a Josephson junction to work in a computer. And ex-IBMers I have spoken to will never admit how many cubic dollars they spent on the effort. Truth will out one day I am sure.
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