Can we add HEIF to the image formats? Smaller and better than jpeg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format
There seems to be an infinite number of image formats to replace the terrible old formats like JPEG. (I remember when GIF was all we needed.)
From your link:
Our Gerald was supporting an older and also uncommon image file which I could not get to work on my system. But I am a lowest common denominator guy.
From your link:
I'm not quite sure what that means.
Our Gerald was supporting an older and also uncommon image file which I could not get to work on my system. But I am a lowest common denominator guy.
I have a feeling heif is a container file format, not an image format. If jpeg file sizes are smaller then maybe it just has an extra compression layer..
It should? Might?
Just saying it's a modern replacement for jpeg. Also GIF was known for being lossless but gigantic. There other are lossless image formats. PNG comes to mind.
My Samsung allows me to store as HEIF, I just figured I'd be able to upload it without conversion.
Google Messages doesn't seem to load them, either.
He's right though,
I specifically would like:support for HEIC: HEVC in HEIF I think.
Just saying it's a modern replacement for jpeg. Also GIF was known for being lossless but gigantic. There other are lossless image formats. PNG comes to mind.
My Samsung allows me to store as HEIF, I just figured I'd be able to upload it without conversion.
Google Messages doesn't seem to load them, either.
He's right though,
I specifically would like:support for HEIC: HEVC in HEIF I think.
Apple and Samsung like it. Apparently particularly as a cellphone video format??
If I can't post it on Instagram, I don't need it!! (Actually I rarely look on IG, and never post, but if they don't need it do we?)
GIF is rarely "gigantic". What it is, is ugly for nudies and other smooth-tone images. 256 tones is like building a body out of Legos.
If I can't post it on Instagram, I don't need it!! (Actually I rarely look on IG, and never post, but if they don't need it do we?)
GIF is rarely "gigantic". What it is, is ugly for nudies and other smooth-tone images. 256 tones is like building a body out of Legos.
Funny, Yandex.disk supports it as a photo format... I guess I'll just go back to saving 2.5MB JPEG files that look like trash instead of 500kB files that look good... The fact this forum (probably) pays for storage and bandwidth makes me think they would embrace a smaller filesize though.
Chrome offers to save the file but doesn't display it, however, there's https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/heic-image-viewer-decoder/apejnnfdjjgeohjlhieneeookfeomdhj
Eye of GNOME (Image Viewer) supports it natively as does GIMP and as mentioned, Yandex.
I also just checked... Facebook supports it so in theory so does IG. Twitter doesn't.
Just checked... The file extension is .heic, not .heif
Chrome offers to save the file but doesn't display it, however, there's https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/heic-image-viewer-decoder/apejnnfdjjgeohjlhieneeookfeomdhj
Eye of GNOME (Image Viewer) supports it natively as does GIMP and as mentioned, Yandex.
I also just checked... Facebook supports it so in theory so does IG. Twitter doesn't.
Just checked... The file extension is .heic, not .heif
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I'm not the one to argue or nod knowingly. Forum geek 'gerardv' expressed interest in image file formats and has the connections to make it happen.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/conversations/add?to=gerardv
And being on the end of a long and fairly thin wire here in the woods of Maine, I am sensitive to the Megs.
But IMHO the 2.5MB JPEG files that look like trash are mostly horrible photography in dim light with pattern bedspread backgrounds.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/conversations/add?to=gerardv
And being on the end of a long and fairly thin wire here in the woods of Maine, I am sensitive to the Megs.
But IMHO the 2.5MB JPEG files that look like trash are mostly horrible photography in dim light with pattern bedspread backgrounds.
No, seriously, the same photo from the same camera saved in both formats... I was amazed TBH.
It's as good as the difference metween mp3 and opus to me.
It's as good as the difference metween mp3 and opus to me.
I'm all for a better image format, but HEIF isn't supported in any browser:
https://caniuse.com/?search=HEIF
Good though an extension is found for Chrome, but I couldn't find any extension for Firefox.
But to say that 500kB JPG looks "crap"... I have the peculiar habit of actually going through a bunch of images posted on this forum with an EXIF viewer browser extension, and the sad truth is that quite a large amount of pictures of poor quality is to be blamed on the photographer itself, so many pictures that are fuzzy, noisy, poorly lit, wrong rotation being side-wise or upside-down, and what not, and yet not seldom on the size order of a whopping 1 MB that would be enough in a 50 kB file size.
I am afraid HEIC will not improve peoples photography skills, the pics will still look "crap".
In my opinion 500 kB JPG really is plenty for a non-photography/imaging centric forum, one have to pixel peeping to see any distinct difference a la 128 kb/s MP3 VS CD audio to find differences, even MP3 in 320 kb/s is starting to get very difficult to distinguish from CD quality audio, it's so hard albeit not impossible that the listening session isn't anymore enjoyable but rather becomes such a focused and attention demanding task one doesn't listen to the music anymore in order to be able pick out minute differences... the analogy in the image world would be, properly taken and prepared pictures in JPG is still plenty akin to 320 kb/s MP3.
And, as in MP3, the JPG quality can be set in the image editor (and many cameras have some quality settings too) when saving the image, Q = 75 is a good compromise between quality and size, 85-90 for better image quality, above 90-95 the returns are diminishing as the file size grows quickly without providing any clearly discerning difference.
Koda, I would be curious to see an example of 2 pictures coming out of your Samsung mobile phone, one in HEIC and the other JPG to understand your claimed huge difference between JPG VS HEIF.
Are you also able to set the image quality for JPG in your camera?
And lastly, I for one often make the effort to work on my pictures in an image editor, such as the venerable free open source GIMP, but to be harsh too many are lazy to add an S curve, crop, resize, rotation correcting etc, let alone, the habit of Not downsizing in-line pictures is plain horrible, it takes a "week" to scroll through a bunch of pictures, it's so much easier to click on one picture to pan it in and then hold the mouse in one place and click on the lef < or right > arrow (or swipe left/right with mouse, or finger for touch screens) to swiftly browse through the pictures instead of scrolling like crazy.
(To pan out, swipe picture up or down with mouse or finger..)
I wish the forum would limit the panned-out inline picture size Considerably (!!!), say 120 px wide/high, this allows one to look over some 8-10 pictures or so on a single page instead of one gigantic picture, but that's another issue.
The bottom line is, there's so much more members could do to their pictures and how they are applied in the post before HEIF becomes a relevant issue, and... to be able to relax ones senses in order to just enjoy art is also an art in itself, peace.
PS.
For anyone using Android mobile phone as camera I would strongly recommend the Open Camera app which have plenty of manual settings one usually find on a pro cameras including shooting in RAW which is the highest image quality there is surpassing also HEIF as it is a lossless format, and it does video too:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera
https://opencamera.sourceforge.io/index.html
Another easy to use app for the mobile phone to edit pics with such as resize, crop, rotate, contrast, export etc. is the Snapseed app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.niksoftware.snapseed&hl=en_US&gl=US
https://caniuse.com/?search=HEIF
Good though an extension is found for Chrome, but I couldn't find any extension for Firefox.
But to say that 500kB JPG looks "crap"... I have the peculiar habit of actually going through a bunch of images posted on this forum with an EXIF viewer browser extension, and the sad truth is that quite a large amount of pictures of poor quality is to be blamed on the photographer itself, so many pictures that are fuzzy, noisy, poorly lit, wrong rotation being side-wise or upside-down, and what not, and yet not seldom on the size order of a whopping 1 MB that would be enough in a 50 kB file size.
I am afraid HEIC will not improve peoples photography skills, the pics will still look "crap".
In my opinion 500 kB JPG really is plenty for a non-photography/imaging centric forum, one have to pixel peeping to see any distinct difference a la 128 kb/s MP3 VS CD audio to find differences, even MP3 in 320 kb/s is starting to get very difficult to distinguish from CD quality audio, it's so hard albeit not impossible that the listening session isn't anymore enjoyable but rather becomes such a focused and attention demanding task one doesn't listen to the music anymore in order to be able pick out minute differences... the analogy in the image world would be, properly taken and prepared pictures in JPG is still plenty akin to 320 kb/s MP3.
And, as in MP3, the JPG quality can be set in the image editor (and many cameras have some quality settings too) when saving the image, Q = 75 is a good compromise between quality and size, 85-90 for better image quality, above 90-95 the returns are diminishing as the file size grows quickly without providing any clearly discerning difference.
Koda, I would be curious to see an example of 2 pictures coming out of your Samsung mobile phone, one in HEIC and the other JPG to understand your claimed huge difference between JPG VS HEIF.
Are you also able to set the image quality for JPG in your camera?
And lastly, I for one often make the effort to work on my pictures in an image editor, such as the venerable free open source GIMP, but to be harsh too many are lazy to add an S curve, crop, resize, rotation correcting etc, let alone, the habit of Not downsizing in-line pictures is plain horrible, it takes a "week" to scroll through a bunch of pictures, it's so much easier to click on one picture to pan it in and then hold the mouse in one place and click on the lef < or right > arrow (or swipe left/right with mouse, or finger for touch screens) to swiftly browse through the pictures instead of scrolling like crazy.
(To pan out, swipe picture up or down with mouse or finger..)
I wish the forum would limit the panned-out inline picture size Considerably (!!!), say 120 px wide/high, this allows one to look over some 8-10 pictures or so on a single page instead of one gigantic picture, but that's another issue.
The bottom line is, there's so much more members could do to their pictures and how they are applied in the post before HEIF becomes a relevant issue, and... to be able to relax ones senses in order to just enjoy art is also an art in itself, peace.
:)PS.
For anyone using Android mobile phone as camera I would strongly recommend the Open Camera app which have plenty of manual settings one usually find on a pro cameras including shooting in RAW which is the highest image quality there is surpassing also HEIF as it is a lossless format, and it does video too:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera
https://opencamera.sourceforge.io/index.html
Another easy to use app for the mobile phone to edit pics with such as resize, crop, rotate, contrast, export etc. is the Snapseed app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.niksoftware.snapseed&hl=en_US&gl=US
I used to use open camera. The Samsung camera app works better on the Samsung phone I find.
When I take a photo, it's 4000x3000 pixels, and 12MP. I took a picture of text on a record label. The jpeg was, well, jpeged... the heic was as clear as a tiff.
I'm not sure why XF isn't just transcoding all photo uploads to png or whatever tbh. Accept any format, but the forum converts the file.
When I take a photo, it's 4000x3000 pixels, and 12MP. I took a picture of text on a record label. The jpeg was, well, jpeged... the heic was as clear as a tiff.
I'm not sure why XF isn't just transcoding all photo uploads to png or whatever tbh. Accept any format, but the forum converts the file.
And iPhone. Mine shoots in HEIF and although the phone and my Mac have no trouble with the format, nothing on my Windows computer will read it.
I have to open them on the Mac and then export to Jpeg. Not a big deal, as I almost always crop, resize, tweak and use more compression anyway. Rarely do I post unedited photos.
I have to open them on the Mac and then export to Jpeg. Not a big deal, as I almost always crop, resize, tweak and use more compression anyway. Rarely do I post unedited photos.
I'm on Linux, and no issues with heic here. I rarely edit a photo I upload here, but I do use "pro" mode most of the time to make a photo look like what I see with my eyes.
On my Mac i just drag them into photos and when i drag them out they have become jpegs.
dave