The UN map is still a projection, azimuthal equidistant I think, which still produces large distortions.
The point is if earth were flat no projection would be needed at all.
It would be possible to depict land masses correctly very easily the old-fashioned way by just sailing along the coastlines, measuring them and drawing them onto a flat piece of paper at a suitable scale and then placing individual land masses accurately to form a map of the world free from projection induced distortion.
The simplest explanation as to why this is not possible I can think of is that the Earth is not flat and the fact that for a globe no projection is needed, all distances, shapes, areas and angles are correct would indicate a roughly globular shape of Earth.
I'll go with that until flat-earthers come up with an accurate, projection-free map.
I stumbled across this TED Talks last night that deep dove into the world of astroturfing:
https://youtu.be/-bYAQ-ZZtEU
According to Sharyl Attkisson we're awash in contracted and intentional misrepresentations benefiting special interests. Political and commercial interests flood the Internet with targeted propaganda. Even Wikipedia, for example, for a fee apparently allows articles to be directly controlled by the subject, essentially turning them into online advertisements. It seems plausible at some level people - nurtured from birth by the 15 minutes of dissembling and obscurantism per TV broadcast hour - are suspending trust in mainstream messaging, opening up opportunities for other 'certainties'.
Flat earthers may be a consequence of the tragedy of the commons afflicting honesty in society....
I agree, they don't believe in gravity or they bend the laws of physics to fit their own model, it's frustrating to get anywhere.
As to the 'cooling light' debate, that is how I explained it to him, no clouds=no insulation so the heat from the earth gets sucked into space. Radiative cooling.
The moon moves across the sky at night. Or even better I can move an umbrella. I propose putting an umbrella in a field at an angle towards the moon not too close to the ground and not directly above where you are taking the reading. After a period of time take a temp reading. Then remove the umbrella and wait another period of time and take another temp reading. Heat should rise up and so if the umbrella wasn't directly above the patch of grass you are taking the reading from it shouldn't hold heat there. If it was actually the light cooling things the second reading should be colder.
I found one of those groups on Facebook (Flat Earth) just yesterday and I'm truly astounded by the ignorance and stupidity of these retards. They are not the only delusional group with a belief system out of the Dark Ages. The nice thing about Science is you don't have to believe in it for it to work.
Why do you think the flat earth maps are projections, instead of just maps? What makes it appear to you to be a projection?
BTW, the planists often use the competing shapes of globular world maps to argue that they are all just made up.
They'd be wrong, though....
A good aphorism, that. I was given a T shirt with it on at Christmas!
... We should lock some flat earthers in a room with some of those convinced the world is 6000 years old, and see what comes out... 😀
I suspect wild agreement. Have you read any of the "proofs" that carbon dating is wrong by four orders of magnitude? Quite amusing.
You may need to be careful about the heat radiated by the umbrella. It will probably be a bit colder than the air temperature due to its own radiative cooling, but still much warmer than the night sky.famousmockingbird said:
I never thought of taking my irradiance thermometer outside at night. I assume it doesn't read 4K. 🙄😀
You're assuming they are not one and the same ?
Travelling by airplane for the 1st time in 2011 to Burning Amp in SF was interesting.
On the flight over to Detroit, the sun appeared to be standing still at an airplane speed of 650+ mph referenced to ground (100+ mph tail wind).
Latitude of the Netherlands is ~52.5 N, circumference of the parallel there is about 60% of the equator's. Divided by 24, about the same number of miles as the real airplane speed.
My last flight from Curaçao to Schiphol 2 months ago, took off in the afternoon. Curaçao is at ~850 miles above the equator.
Tail wind again, 680+ mph real airplane speed in the other direction, the sun dropped like a brick from the sky.
If the earth is a flat disk, and the sun scribes a circle at a fixed distance from the earth, then there should be no day and night. The sun should always be visible.
I did take a little 1.2GHz Yagi outside and point it at the sun, pretty sizeable change in received noise.
We also might consider to run away after locking them in
By locked room, I was thinking maybe "space ark" in the way of Douglas Adams:
Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B | Hitchhikers | Fandom powered by Wikia
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