PLEASE BE A WIRE BUSTER
I think the famous Rogges Russel spent years of their life designing speakers and other REAL, LISTEN... REAL hi fi equipment, not "marketing hi fi"
read part of the site of Mr Rogger
"We have been told by advertising that the exotic speaker wires offer fabulous advantages over ordinary lamp cord. It would seem reasonable that using this same wire for lamps would also enhance their performance. In the same vein as wire literature, you can have your lamp reproduce light with the full spectrum color fidelity of natural daylight........."
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I think it so
read the full article here Speaker Wire
CHEERS
I think the famous Rogges Russel spent years of their life designing speakers and other REAL, LISTEN... REAL hi fi equipment, not "marketing hi fi"
read part of the site of Mr Rogger
"We have been told by advertising that the exotic speaker wires offer fabulous advantages over ordinary lamp cord. It would seem reasonable that using this same wire for lamps would also enhance their performance. In the same vein as wire literature, you can have your lamp reproduce light with the full spectrum color fidelity of natural daylight........."
hahaha
I think it so
read the full article here Speaker Wire
CHEERS
I hope I'm not committing a booboo by bumping this thread. But, assuming I can find 14ga single stranded copper wire, what to do with the other wires? I mean if I go 14ga single strand from amp to speakers, then on a T-class amp you also have to hook up with let's say a 3.5mm male to RCA. Is there a way to connect 3.5mm and RCA jacks to 14ga single strand wire?
wire is wire, so thick wire has less resistance than thin wire, so buy a half decent thickness and job done. any benefit from solid gold wire is marginal and probubly only placebo, noticed...
i would love to see one of these cable fanatics do a blind listen test with 2 sets of identical speakers, and a speaker selector, on the same amplifier
one wired with telephone wire.. ok thats a bit to far
ok
one wired with standard power cord form spare computer leads (what i use.....)
and one wired with oxgen free super conductive bla bla £200 wire
any money says then wouldnt know which was which
there are far more factors in play, a good set of speakers is upmost and a good amp, and cord?? it needs to be a conducter... its as simple as that
one wired with telephone wire.. ok thats a bit to far
ok
one wired with standard power cord form spare computer leads (what i use.....)
and one wired with oxgen free super conductive bla bla £200 wire
any money says then wouldnt know which was which
there are far more factors in play, a good set of speakers is upmost and a good amp, and cord?? it needs to be a conducter... its as simple as that
this is halirious... sucker bait, lol
http://gizmodo.com/302478/7250-speaker-cables-turn-you-into-a-dancin-fool?tag=gadgetsspeakercables
must be for rich people who have run out of things to spend money on, so they get a pear wire to match there pear shaped figure
ive just read this... absolute stupidity, they really go on about rubbish,...
http://www.pearcable.com/sub_products_anjou_sc.htm
http://gizmodo.com/302478/7250-speaker-cables-turn-you-into-a-dancin-fool?tag=gadgetsspeakercables
must be for rich people who have run out of things to spend money on, so they get a pear wire to match there pear shaped figure
ive just read this... absolute stupidity, they really go on about rubbish,...
http://www.pearcable.com/sub_products_anjou_sc.htm
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Let's assume just for a minute that this post is on the level and the poster actually want to use 14ga solid wire. The easiest source of this is Romex cable, i.e. household mains cables. Romex has been discussed elsewhere for speaker cabling and I am sure that there are a small number of systems using 14ga or even 12ga Romex. The immediate problem of using 14ga with RCA's and 3.5mm stereo jacks is that 14ga wire is half as thick as the 3.5mm jack and there is no way to squeeze three 14ga wires into the jack housing. End of discussion.
Let's assume that the poster actually meant 24ga wire. This would be appropriate for a T-amp in a rig that is using a stereo plug to connect components. The only problem with using 24ga singly to a RCA plug is to provide adequate strain relief. A single 24ga wire will have a pretty fragile joint in the plug housing.
Oh, well.... Too much time on my hands.
What Bob says.
To expand on the strain relief issue: It is pretty easy to nick the solid cable when you strip it -- this leads to wire failure. Even with no nick the stuff can break. For speaker cable i terminate it in Pomona dual bananas since we switch speakers a lot. Every 3 or 4 months a channel will go down -- the 1st place to check is the 24g solid going into the Pomona. 99.9% of the time it is a broken wire. Most of the time at the speaker end where it gets stressed.
If you are making interconnects it doesn't hurt to "wrap" it around a substrate (send & return crossing at 90 degrees). The substrate can be a piece of teflon, another wire, Chris has used PVC fish tank tubing... you then have something for the heat shrink to hold onto for strain relief.
dave
To expand on the strain relief issue: It is pretty easy to nick the solid cable when you strip it -- this leads to wire failure. Even with no nick the stuff can break. For speaker cable i terminate it in Pomona dual bananas since we switch speakers a lot. Every 3 or 4 months a channel will go down -- the 1st place to check is the 24g solid going into the Pomona. 99.9% of the time it is a broken wire. Most of the time at the speaker end where it gets stressed.
If you are making interconnects it doesn't hurt to "wrap" it around a substrate (send & return crossing at 90 degrees). The substrate can be a piece of teflon, another wire, Chris has used PVC fish tank tubing... you then have something for the heat shrink to hold onto for strain relief.
dave
I second that with enthusiasm!!!
Combined with good quality rca plugs (valab) this interconnect has beat my ex-expensive wires to death. Had to sell them and get some money back.
One of the best interconnects I have ever tried myself!!!
Sorry folks. No matter what amp. receiver or OT I've looked at, I've never seen any fancy-pants wire in there. Usually nothing more than (at best) 18 ga. and typically 26 ga, So for the life of me I don't see how tagging on anything larger or more esoteric is going to make any difference. Seems to me it's a lot like coupling a fire hose to a garden hose.
cheap wire
My speaker wire of use for many years is solid core, stripped from used fluorescent light transformers; I don't know the gauge but it is the bigger flat wound wire. It will look very small in diameter to most and perhaps not pretty🙂
My speaker wire of use for many years is solid core, stripped from used fluorescent light transformers; I don't know the gauge but it is the bigger flat wound wire. It will look very small in diameter to most and perhaps not pretty🙂
As long as you use adequate gauge, zip cord is just fine. Some cheaper wire has really bad plastic that gets stiff after many years of aging, and I've had some wires turn green, but they still sound fine.
Coax is probably lousy for speakers because it has a lot of capacitance and resistance. It isn't intended to deliver power to 8-ohm speakers, it is for isolating very low voltage high frequency signals from R-F interference.
Coax is probably lousy for speakers because it has a lot of capacitance and resistance. It isn't intended to deliver power to 8-ohm speakers, it is for isolating very low voltage high frequency signals from R-F interference.
I use VDH the 3rd as main speakers cable (I have to use an ultimate cable as my Klipschs are so efficient)
I also use VDH Revelation for my full range horns. cheap thing VDH Arctic is used as speakers internal wiring
I have a question: What is the logic of using a very hi-end speaker cable, while internal wiring of speaker is not even mid-end? what's the point?
I also use VDH Revelation for my full range horns. cheap thing VDH Arctic is used as speakers internal wiring
I have a question: What is the logic of using a very hi-end speaker cable, while internal wiring of speaker is not even mid-end? what's the point?
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You can use coat hanger wire, which is several times more resistive than copper and not hear a difference. Compared to the distortion at the drivers themselves, it is unlikely that you can hear the difference between any wire of adequate guage.
There is a small amount of capacitance from the parallel wire in zip cord, but it hardly matters. I have some cables that I got in the 80's that use a semi-random weave to reduce the capacitance, but unless you have speakers that can use banana plugs they are a pain to attach to the amp and the speakers, and don't sound any better.
Speaker cables are a huge moneymaker ... monster cable got huge selling oversized zip cord with fabulous marketing claims and inflated prices. But they don't make any difference.
There is a small amount of capacitance from the parallel wire in zip cord, but it hardly matters. I have some cables that I got in the 80's that use a semi-random weave to reduce the capacitance, but unless you have speakers that can use banana plugs they are a pain to attach to the amp and the speakers, and don't sound any better.
Speaker cables are a huge moneymaker ... monster cable got huge selling oversized zip cord with fabulous marketing claims and inflated prices. But they don't make any difference.
In my set up cables always made difference.VDH,Kimber,Goertz all different material and very
different sounding. Some have plummy bass others tipped high's.
different sounding. Some have plummy bass others tipped high's.
Agreed with most posts here they can't and don't make a difference unless you have been brainwashed.
. But hey we're all going that way sooner I've often been brainwashed into thinking I'm deaf. Now I rely on ABX trials and regained my sanity a bit.
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