"one tower desktop pc for all": bulky, noisy, buggy, consuming kilowatts of energy"
Your experience is somewhat limited, I fear, and seems to be based on Bling!
I have been involved with a few hundred PCs and tens of servers for many years.
All fan cooled. Hard disk failure rates less than 0.01% per year.
SSD failure rates (all used exclusively for the OS (i.e. 100Gb for C🙂, zero.
of course, YMMV, but a fuss is being made about nothing, IME.
Your experience is somewhat limited, I fear, and seems to be based on Bling!
I have been involved with a few hundred PCs and tens of servers for many years.
All fan cooled. Hard disk failure rates less than 0.01% per year.
SSD failure rates (all used exclusively for the OS (i.e. 100Gb for C🙂, zero.
of course, YMMV, but a fuss is being made about nothing, IME.
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Ok, you are a pro, you win! Am simply a hobbist with some good and not so good experiences to comment about...
Are you also a pro for everything in your life?😉
C'mon, guys. Calm....
I, too, am a hobbyist, though have been a systems manager in the past, responsible for the Support lab at a major software company. I have had one of three SSD drives fail in use, and have had several HD fail over the years. None recently.
"Thrashing" is something you can get when you really don't have enough memory to run what you have tried to start up. Stuff gets swapped to disk, but the OS can't make enough progress to swap back in and you end up simply running the disk for long periods. I've never seen that cause a HD failure.
Several things can cause file corruption on "fine" disks, including power fluctuations, OS bugs, hardware bugs in drive controllers. If your drive checks out "good", and doesn't have a bunch of bad sectors, I'd be inclined to blame your OS. Windows xp/64 was known to be prone to crashing, and was never really fixed by Microsoft. Win7/64 is far better. Most any modern Linux is far better.
I doubt it's your drives that caused the problem.
I, too, am a hobbyist, though have been a systems manager in the past, responsible for the Support lab at a major software company. I have had one of three SSD drives fail in use, and have had several HD fail over the years. None recently.
"Thrashing" is something you can get when you really don't have enough memory to run what you have tried to start up. Stuff gets swapped to disk, but the OS can't make enough progress to swap back in and you end up simply running the disk for long periods. I've never seen that cause a HD failure.
Several things can cause file corruption on "fine" disks, including power fluctuations, OS bugs, hardware bugs in drive controllers. If your drive checks out "good", and doesn't have a bunch of bad sectors, I'd be inclined to blame your OS. Windows xp/64 was known to be prone to crashing, and was never really fixed by Microsoft. Win7/64 is far better. Most any modern Linux is far better.
I doubt it's your drives that caused the problem.
Manual procedure and offline storage... Like my vinyls? 😕
I should have known there was a catch!😀
Thanks, hadn't seen that one. I have a Vertex 2 still doing fine as well, right now in a portable case.
True some SSDs don't take well to being in an unpowered state for a long time. We found the same of regular platter drives. We rolled out a number of system with mirrored main drives. An extra, 100% disconnected WD Black was also installed in the rack frame as a spare in case of overnight emergencies. Every one of them failed before ever being powered up. My only guess is the spindle lubrication failed from heat/vibration.
I'll stick with SSDs.
There are pros and cons for each form factor, youre just showing your ignorance of preference. BTW CPUs have worked out the KiloWatt kinks for a decade now,. Sure you can give up things like performance , upgradability, and reliability for the latest slim laptop which are using the same chips ala an undervolted crippled version. IMO most folks with laptops are just helping fill up landfills faster E.g when the lead free solder PCB joints fail due extreme heat /vibration not to mention the battery packs that get used up sitting immobile for 99% of the time.
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I don't like big: big PCs, big cars, big amps, big motorbikes, big shoes, big books, bigasses, big HHDs, big ...anything... So what?🙂
yup & I don't like big landfills
I bet you like your panel TV huge, not big. lol
I have a sense some folks here are hating it (HDDs, big noisy beige boxes), just because theyve had a one bad experience either recently or back when. change happens
I bet you like your panel TV huge, not big. lol
I have a sense some folks here are hating it (HDDs, big noisy beige boxes), just because theyve had a one bad experience either recently or back when. change happens
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Since i pay a subscription to Apple Music, i also wonder why bothering maintaining a private music collection. These guys, or others, do the hard job archiving and serving practically everything. You just need a few gigas on a tablet to download more hours of music you can spend listenning to...
Of course if you have no local data, no reason to bother with backups. Then your machine can have a small HDD just for the OS which can be re-installed anytime needed.
This works for the music they like. But what about you can't find there?
There are different versions of a music. Better and worse mastered. You will not have a choice at Apple. It is good as long as you want what they can offer. Like old Ferrari. You could chose any kind of color as long as you chose red. But there are ppl who has different opinion and other needs. They will collect music. Like you don't like big, others like to collect music.
I also have a big PC with 8x12cm coolers in the front. And no it is quite silent as I built the case and took care of silencing it. Typos like many kW for PC is a joke. If you have a gamer PC like i7+16GB mem+980GTX it will still consume about 50W while browsing. And about 300W fully loaded. Lot less then some Class A amps.
That's fine as well, collecting for collecting sake is a hobby in itself. I collect vinyl, some like to rip them, tag everything and scan covers, i dont: too lazy...Btw, i consider streaming services are the future, but what they are already offering is amazing.
And wonderfull stuff is available also on Youtube. I would download many things i found there before they disappear some day, but life is too short to lose valuable time in archiving tasks...😎
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If you are looking to increase your failure rate, that's the way to go.
HDD are infinitely more reliable than SD and USB flash. And faster.
If you are concerned with 'thrashing', get one of the Seagate hybrid SSD/HD drives. Eventually the most-used stuff will find its way to the SSD, leaving the least-used, static content on the spinning platters.
As to the use of fans, if your hard drive gets hot, cool it. If it doesn't, don't bother.
I bothered in my 8*3TB tower case while living on the equator, haven't bothered in my 4*3TB mini tower in the basement in NZ. Ambient temps there are about 15C and the drives are NAS spec, so slow and cool.
I have two media centres. I have had both normal HDD and SSD. I have only had one crash in 8 years. To be safe I also make a backup 😉
Unfortunately they reduce the quality of old videos.
As I know as long as it is in 720p, then sound is 192kbps, but if they crop it to 480 or below, the sound also goes down to 128kbps. And that you can hear to be worse. I don't backup everything, just some stuff that I really like and may not be so popular. I'm also thinkin of making a NAS as I can't have disks in my music player PC (too loud).
+1 SDcards for my rpis are the only thing i backup: losing the so and the configs and scripts aches much more than a few songs or videos.
But my main worry with sd cards and usb are way too small to put a sticker on them telling their detailed contain. I have plenty, though almost empty, but never know where they are and what i recordered there...The age of plenty!😀
age of the big consume(r)s on a monthly plan😀
I'm convinced i'll see lower HDD failure rates by separation of OS to a dedicated SSD and confine all data/DL to HDDs.
just browsing and normal tasks not writing data or DLing to it, folks will 'thrash' any OS drive with ~ 2TB/day small writes even with plenty of RAM, so SSD does wonderfully in this task. bout the worst torture to any drive is to completely fill it! ( all drives need to be over provisioned for firmware / housekeeping tasks )
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Yes , my modern gaming/HTPC only uses <100W while surfing (now) , 125W
while doing dual screen home theater/surfing .... maybe >250 while playing a 3DGame.
Modern processors and video devices only use what they need. My quad core
usually runs at 30C and a whole 800mhz (3.2Ghz max).
PS - all fan cooled , just 1 hard drive died in the last 8 years. 2 other big drives
with 75,000hrs. Win7 was installed in 2012 , still 5.3G of utter perfection.
The intel core duo lasted 7 years , new athlon for 4 years. Case and PS are 11
years old.
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