Yes, there is noise from the analog section. That makes it easy to see if you use software. However some listeners picked it without, going on details other than noise.Unfortunately not.
I'll be using lower noise equipment for the next round. I've already tested it.
DF96, why don't you check him out on 'Google'? Maybe you will find that he is a lot more successful than some here, claim. '-)
what does that have to do with ahything? if he's wrong, he's wrong.DF96, why don't you check him out on 'Google'? Maybe you will find that he is a lot more successful than some here, claim. '-)
whenever I see this pattern, some high end guy defending another high end guy even when there's hard data indicating they are wrong, I kinda start believing that there is some sort of conspiracy after all.
I assume by 'him' you mean Hawksford? I am not interested in success, but truth. You sometimes seem to confuse these two quite different concepts. Being a professor in a reasonable UK university shows that he is successful but so what? That is no guarantee that everything he writes is true. He certainly is not the first professor to publish stuff which is simply wrong - for another example look at some of the stuff about compact radio antennas from two UK EE professors (one now retired).DF96, why don't you check him out on 'Google'? Maybe you will find that he is a lot more successful than some here, claim. '-)
kind off-topic topic, but...
interesting comment by Andrew Jones (KEF, TAD) about speaker cables, practically he says that he's in a field where it's sacrilege to say the don't matter (talking about conspiracies). but they could matter with less high-end systems, he also comments in a political manner 😀
Home Theater Geeks 112 | TWiT.TV (skip to 58:47)
(interview is from May 2012)
interesting comment by Andrew Jones (KEF, TAD) about speaker cables, practically he says that he's in a field where it's sacrilege to say the don't matter (talking about conspiracies). but they could matter with less high-end systems, he also comments in a political manner 😀
Home Theater Geeks 112 | TWiT.TV (skip to 58:47)
(interview is from May 2012)
I didn't! I had the beer all ready to test, but drank it instead. It made the experimenting soooo much better. 😀 It was not excluded, just used in a different role.
Will do a beer run for you on the next test.
Pano, thanks.
There is no need to do a beer run for me.
You handled beer in the proper way. Beer IMO is "by design" for drinking enjoyment.

On the other hand, with this original work of yours, you have already made your point: “Conductor’s” qualities play a role which is statistically difficult to justify acoustically.
My question is (and I had asked you to pay attention on equal loop area and geometry with all your “interconnects”) what about the qualities of the intervening “medium” between the two –signal and return-conductors?
You see, I am obviously influenced by the “EM wave travelling along, constrained by the boundaries formed by the two conductors” theory (Heaviside)
George
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I was careful with the plastic pipes to keep the 2 sides at least similar. But they were in the same plane, not really parallel or orthogonal. If it matters...
The new test rig is shielded, 1M long and parallel. We shall hear if it makes a difference. At least the noise floor will be lower.
The new test rig is shielded, 1M long and parallel. We shall hear if it makes a difference. At least the noise floor will be lower.
Thinking about comparing apples and oranges, but I have to be careful, as there is a lemon law in this state. if the results are disapointing I'll have to chalk it up to sour grapes.
What's interesting is that the mp3 coding artifacts are more significant than the interconnect differences.
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Reposted files
Back by popular demand are the original mud cable test clips.
The old links on Dropbox had expired, here are new ones.
We still have the same materials list, same recordings done back in 2013.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o45qnjaq0unxzad/Clip_AA.flac?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ko1vv9bnn93b2q5/Clip_BB.flac?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1l309sas9w1zo4/Clip_CC.flac?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bk7keazely25cwn/Clip_DD.flac?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lmw60c35p5sjff0/Clip_EE.flac?dl=0
Have fun.
Back by popular demand are the original mud cable test clips.
The old links on Dropbox had expired, here are new ones.
We still have the same materials list, same recordings done back in 2013.
- original
- steel wool
- copper
- wine
- mud
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o45qnjaq0unxzad/Clip_AA.flac?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ko1vv9bnn93b2q5/Clip_BB.flac?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1l309sas9w1zo4/Clip_CC.flac?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bk7keazely25cwn/Clip_DD.flac?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lmw60c35p5sjff0/Clip_EE.flac?dl=0
Have fun.
Here are the clips in MP3 format, if you prefer that.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tjfkc5v0fadk3ju/Clip_AA.mp3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jx5mgwgios2q8xo/Clip_BB.mp3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1z4s2dotqwaievv/Clip_CC.mp3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/egxywh3mw95gslr/Clip_DD.mp3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/chomrzl8u1fovet/Clip_EE.mp3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tjfkc5v0fadk3ju/Clip_AA.mp3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jx5mgwgios2q8xo/Clip_BB.mp3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1z4s2dotqwaievv/Clip_CC.mp3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/egxywh3mw95gslr/Clip_DD.mp3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/chomrzl8u1fovet/Clip_EE.mp3?dl=0
Such a coincidence that I was searching for this thread to share it on another forum just now.
Thanks Pano!
Thanks Pano!
This thread is a wonderful antidote to the silly thread about hardwiring. Good connectors ruin the music, but mud does not?
It certainly is and it might even help some people save cash.
Any chance this thread could be made sticky?
Any chance this thread could be made sticky?
.....
Any chance this thread could be made sticky?
You mean throw some mud at it?
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