I did some checking into the LAME encoder. The way I used it is about as good as it gets.
One should expect some differences with the FLAC, you can't throw away info and get the same files.
I now have a set of new test leads and 2x6 feet of plastic tubing that will serve as the "wire". I'll try them filled with water, wine and beer. Look for the files tomorrow. 😀
One should expect some differences with the FLAC, you can't throw away info and get the same files.
I now have a set of new test leads and 2x6 feet of plastic tubing that will serve as the "wire". I'll try them filled with water, wine and beer. Look for the files tomorrow. 😀
Good point on the 2nd bit - yes, worth trying a few variations there ... but, you can go nuts about it, trying the n'th permutation to get the best subjective version -- and in the end is it worth it, a FLAC is only going to be roughly double the size anyway ... ?
With regards to nulling, this does get tricky for the very reason you mention - with mp3, it's usually fairly easy to down to the precise, matching sample; when I did this at one point I deleted 149 samples to get matching ... no, 1 sample out ... OK, undo, delete 150 samples ... spot on ... . There's subtleties in the levels as well, I tried adjusting one version by 0.1, 0.2, then 0.15dB - this slightly improved the maximum peak diff, but the average diff got worse ...
Fun and games start when an analogue stage is gone through, then it's almost guaranteed that there won't be a 'right' sample to synch on. So, then you have to upsample, up and up and up, which interpolates samples, to finally get a decent match; I've gone right up to 2.8MHz in some experiments -- you get very analogue looking 20kHz sine waves then!
And clock wobble and drift can intrude; trying to compare digitised vinyl samples, even from a premium TT, is a nighmare: the wow factor 🙂D!) is atrocious ...
Edit: the diff file I showed, when played, is recognisable as about half being the music but the rest weird chuffing, spitting, hissing and gurgling noises.
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It has turned out to be harder than I thought to get these little PVC tubes filled with liquid and no air bubbles. Will work more with that today. The I.D. of the tube is 1/8" (8mm2)
Also found that tap water here has a very high impedance. Just 2 probes stuck in a cup of water reads 12.5 Meg. Thru a 6 foot tube, it more of an insulator than a conductor. Will have to use salt water instead.
Also found that tap water here has a very high impedance. Just 2 probes stuck in a cup of water reads 12.5 Meg. Thru a 6 foot tube, it more of an insulator than a conductor. Will have to use salt water instead.
ok Pano, I don't believe in ABX testing. tell me which file is which and I'll be able to hear the differences. seriously, just try it and you'll see.
Hang them so they form a U open on both ends. Fill from one end, let it overflow from both ends. Tap them so bubbles raise toward open ends (more time required with beer)
Note. When conducting tests, have the tubes lay over, so that they have same form and the distance from ground is identical.
George
I suppose these experiments aren't sponsored by Siltech 😉
Makes you wonder how they succeed in making so many bad recordings,
if taking the signal through mud sounds so good, through what did they send the signal to get it sounding so bad 😕
Makes you wonder how they succeed in making so many bad recordings,
if taking the signal through mud sounds so good, through what did they send the signal to get it sounding so bad 😕
syphoning
that's the best way, I would avoid the salt water, or delegate that. For beer, fill a barrel and keep sucking till you are Shure no bubbles (or beer) is left🙂
that's the best way, I would avoid the salt water, or delegate that. For beer, fill a barrel and keep sucking till you are Shure no bubbles (or beer) is left🙂
Use Coke. The sugar-free will be easier to clean up. Conductivity is very good because of all the acidity.
Using it as a straw seems to work best. Have to be careful not to let in any bubbles once full.
Thanks for the idea, SY. I'll try diet Coke.
Thanks for the idea, SY. I'll try diet Coke.
If you want something with bite, on a hot day, chinotto goes down very nicely - available in supermarkets here ...
i have to say pano, between this and the real wattage used fourm, you realy get the hamster running on the weel in my brain.
you are taking on some audiophile "knowns" and letting the facts come out.
very mythbusters of you. and having fun too.
hats off to you. i like it.
you are taking on some audiophile "knowns" and letting the facts come out.
very mythbusters of you. and having fun too.
hats off to you. i like it.
You're welcome! It's fun to actually put stuff to the test, and you can learn a lot.
Trying to get these "liquid wires" up and running today. FWIW, I just tried steel wool and it works great. Will include that in the next round.
Trying to get these "liquid wires" up and running today. FWIW, I just tried steel wool and it works great. Will include that in the next round.
Thicker tubes will be easier to clear of bubbles ...
Ya, steel wool--just think of that rat's nest of voltage junctions!!!
Ya, steel wool--just think of that rat's nest of voltage junctions!!!
And yet it worked and I could measure no extra distortion or attenuation. Odd...
It will be in the new line up for you to listen to.
It will be in the new line up for you to listen to.
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