speakrsrfun said:... use multiple caps to achieve a higher capacitance rating on board.
Oh, c'mon. I used to do crazy stuff like that too, but presently I'm of the notion that a single cap DO sound better. That's why you will not see multiple caps on my PS boards😉
speakrsrfun said:I’m just worried that I’m going to have a hard time finding Caps with high enough rating cheap enough for me to use as F5 supply caps. Unless you have some laying around your willing to sell….
I'm sure you will find suitable single can caps realtively cheap in DigiKey catalog. If not, the ones in a picture are for sale.
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Point taken Peter, here I am striving for simplicity and I'm thinking of wiring multiple cap banks LOL. I'll take a look around and see what I come up with, I'm sure the PS boards will not be ready for some time yet so it will give me some time.
OK so now I'm off to look for some cheap can caps, Thanks again for the reply Peter it helps me fall off the fence I've been teedering on, Peace and keep well.
OK so now I'm off to look for some cheap can caps, Thanks again for the reply Peter it helps me fall off the fence I've been teedering on, Peace and keep well.
Peter Daniel said:
Oh, c'mon. I used to do crazy stuff like that too, but presently I'm of the notion that a single cap DO sound better. That's why you will not see multiple caps on my PS boards😉
I'm sure you will find suitable single can caps realtively cheap in DigiKey catalog. If not, the ones in a picture are for sale.
speakrsrfun said:Thanks again for the reply Peter it helps me fall off the fence I've been teedering on,
In that case I'll post here one more picture of me using multiple banks of small caps, I wouldn't do it again 😉
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=52893#post52893
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Any preferances to supply caps for the F5 Peter, specifically oriented toward your supply design? Anything worth looking into? Thanks again...
Personally I would go with top grade Nichicons (Super Through) or Jensens, but they are $40/pc
However, those Panasonics can't be bad either: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=P6946-ND
However, those Panasonics can't be bad either: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=P6946-ND
You know what Peter I was looking at the Jensens on the PartsConnextion site and though I'd love to spend $160/amp on supply caps I'm afraid the $320 for the pair puts this into the ridiculous category for my wife.
I had a few caps picked out from Digikey but wanted to wait for supply boards before I made a jump.
I'll go Panasonics for now and if I don't like I'll go Nichicons or Jensens, but it will have to be a drastic improvement for me to even consider the price increase.
Take care.
I had a few caps picked out from Digikey but wanted to wait for supply boards before I made a jump.
I'll go Panasonics for now and if I don't like I'll go Nichicons or Jensens, but it will have to be a drastic improvement for me to even consider the price increase.
Take care.
What!!! no LED???
Just kidding. The new PS board looks great!!!
When and how will the new PS boards be available???
Just kidding. The new PS board looks great!!!
When and how will the new PS boards be available???
I'm placing the order this weekend, and it should take approx 2 weeks to get the boards.
The two large holes (for screw in caps) can be modified for lugs with a small file.
samoloko said:does the new PS pcbs gonna work with lug caps mounted directly to pcb
The two large holes (for screw in caps) can be modified for lugs with a small file.
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F1 FAN:
I'll answer that for you, although I'm not Peter here is what he said above....
"I actually run out of F5 amp boards, and since there is still demand for those I will order PS boards as well."
So no F5 boards and no PS boards for a few weeks it seems.
Peace and keep well.
I'll answer that for you, although I'm not Peter here is what he said above....
"I actually run out of F5 amp boards, and since there is still demand for those I will order PS boards as well."
So no F5 boards and no PS boards for a few weeks it seems.
Peace and keep well.
Thanks I read through most of the thread but I missed that post.I shall order when there ready.speakrsrfun said:F1 FAN:
I'll answer that for you, although I'm not Peter here is what he said above....
"I actually run out of F5 amp boards, and since there is still demand for those I will order PS boards as well."
So no F5 boards and no PS boards for a few weeks it seems.
Peace and keep well.
f5 & ps boards and bridging
Peter
I would also be interested in another set of f5 boards(2 boards) and two more PS sets(4 boards)
I built the f5 last weekend with the revised feedback network and without the current limiting or the thyristor- I like what I hear.
Next step is bridging the channels for mono blocks-
two questions for those who care to "listen"- and hopefully reply
1) simply connect inputs and outputs? Positive to positive and negative to negative? Is that all there is?
2) and to bias(5k trimpots) keep the outputs separate until .59 dc across r11 & r12 with 0 vdc at the outputs and then tie the ouputs together for roughly 50 watts of lovely class A? is that all there is?
inquiring minds wanna know
godd weekend to all
rob
Peter
I would also be interested in another set of f5 boards(2 boards) and two more PS sets(4 boards)
I built the f5 last weekend with the revised feedback network and without the current limiting or the thyristor- I like what I hear.
Next step is bridging the channels for mono blocks-
two questions for those who care to "listen"- and hopefully reply
1) simply connect inputs and outputs? Positive to positive and negative to negative? Is that all there is?
2) and to bias(5k trimpots) keep the outputs separate until .59 dc across r11 & r12 with 0 vdc at the outputs and then tie the ouputs together for roughly 50 watts of lovely class A? is that all there is?
inquiring minds wanna know
godd weekend to all
rob
I ordered more boards so availability should not be a problem.
Balanced operation has been explained on page 7 of F4 manual: http://www.firstwatt.com/downloads/f4_om.pdf
Setting bias would be the same as for single channel stereo amp.
Balanced operation has been explained on page 7 of F4 manual: http://www.firstwatt.com/downloads/f4_om.pdf
Setting bias would be the same as for single channel stereo amp.
f5 bridged
peter
thanks for the reffernce to the f4 manual-
so bridged really is that straight forward-
tie the inputs of the f5 boards together, for either left or right, ie two boards per channel vs the usual arraingement of one board per channel and tie the outputs together-
adjust bias after warm up-
again I assume that bias is set per board and my guess is that it would be imperative to get them both close to the 0vdc @ .59vdc across r11 & r12-
I'm thinking(dreaming) separate torroids with their own 2.5 amp fuses and two power cords-sounds like fun don't it?
anyone have any say on sound quality/trade-offs with bridged operation?
someone reffered to an e-bay seller with nice heatsinks for about $45 US but I couldn't find the reference tonight- anyone else see this?- they looked like a very good fit for the project- as memory serves me 2" fins, 10" x 12" with a vertical orientation- anyone with a better recall find that link?
take care all
rob
peter
thanks for the reffernce to the f4 manual-
so bridged really is that straight forward-
tie the inputs of the f5 boards together, for either left or right, ie two boards per channel vs the usual arraingement of one board per channel and tie the outputs together-
adjust bias after warm up-
again I assume that bias is set per board and my guess is that it would be imperative to get them both close to the 0vdc @ .59vdc across r11 & r12-
I'm thinking(dreaming) separate torroids with their own 2.5 amp fuses and two power cords-sounds like fun don't it?
anyone have any say on sound quality/trade-offs with bridged operation?
someone reffered to an e-bay seller with nice heatsinks for about $45 US but I couldn't find the reference tonight- anyone else see this?- they looked like a very good fit for the project- as memory serves me 2" fins, 10" x 12" with a vertical orientation- anyone with a better recall find that link?
take care all
rob
Re: f5 bridged
Not exactly, what you are describing is parallel connection of two channels. Bridged is completely different matter. You are not connecting inputs and outputs together. Instead you feed the other channel with a signal of opposite polarity and connect speaker between two channel outputs, without reference to ground.
The bias does not need to be readjusted, it's still exactly the same as for a single channel, but insted of using two mono amps (as for regular stereo) you are now using 4 amps (2 per mono channel).
rob lenk said:so bridged really is that straight forward-
tie the inputs of the f5 boards together, for either left or right, ie two boards per channel vs the usual arraingement of one board per channel and tie the outputs together-
adjust bias after warm up-
again I assume that bias is set per board and my guess is that it would be imperative to get them both close to the 0vdc @ .59vdc across r11 & r12-
Not exactly, what you are describing is parallel connection of two channels. Bridged is completely different matter. You are not connecting inputs and outputs together. Instead you feed the other channel with a signal of opposite polarity and connect speaker between two channel outputs, without reference to ground.
The bias does not need to be readjusted, it's still exactly the same as for a single channel, but insted of using two mono amps (as for regular stereo) you are now using 4 amps (2 per mono channel).
F5 Feedback Modification Question
Have plans to modified my F5 feedback network relative to Nelson's suggestion. Quote cut and paste from the previous postings - "( R11 & 12 to 1 ohm/
R5 & R8 to 100 ohms and R1 & R2 to 22ohms-pass site)"
Please let me know if if I have this correct. I assumed the net result for R5 & R7 in parallel , R8 & R6 in parallel, for each pair is 100 ohms. I purchased quanty 4, 200 Mills MRA-5 resistors for positions R5 & R7, R6 & R8.
Have I made a correct assumption ?
Have plans to modified my F5 feedback network relative to Nelson's suggestion. Quote cut and paste from the previous postings - "( R11 & 12 to 1 ohm/
R5 & R8 to 100 ohms and R1 & R2 to 22ohms-pass site)"
Please let me know if if I have this correct. I assumed the net result for R5 & R7 in parallel , R8 & R6 in parallel, for each pair is 100 ohms. I purchased quanty 4, 200 Mills MRA-5 resistors for positions R5 & R7, R6 & R8.
Have I made a correct assumption ?
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