Eliminate Member Rankings And Post Count

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#82
I happen to agree with crying dragon for several different reasons at several different levels. I will just say that I abhor everything that smells of characterless, standard, uniform, franchised. The crafty, custom made feeling is what attracted me to diyaudio in the first place. Plus I dislike change for the sake of change.
There are several reason why I think this change was made, and that has to do with the moderation team showing the effects of being moderators for too long. For the most part people are behaving, the sin bin has been sitting at quote 23 for two months now, we all put our preemptive asterisks in between our S's and T's or F's and K's so the moderators are feeling restless and bored.
Last but not least they couldn't pass up the chance to **** someone off just because they could. Is it a coincidence that soon after Mrfeedback said was against it the change was made?

I look forward to the next dumb idea like make someone a 'gold member' based on the contribution level.
 
#84
CryingDragon,

Can you do us a favour, read this thread and give us an estimate how many people doesn't mind the change and how many is against eliminating ranking and post count. Maybe you are right, maybe not.

I was not getting involved in the whole discussion, because I don't really know what is better. Only time can tell.😉
 
#85
with the moderation team showing the effects of being moderators for too long. For the most part people are behaving, the sin bin has been sitting at quote 23 for two months now, we all put our preemptive asterisks in between our S's and T's or F's and K's so the moderators are feeling restless and bored.
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Grataku, that's not fair, and if true, I would have turned down the post of moderator when I was asked.

Yes, we want to improve the board for everyone, but every single thing that has been done is based on a request from an ordinary member. Check back if you don't believe me...

Despite my joke post above, we only have limited power, after all, we are here to make DIY Audio a success, and if we upset too many people then they can just leave and go somewhere else, so the members have absolute power, not us.

By all means, give us constructive criticism, we are all big enough to take it, but don't think the worst of us, all we want to do is build things, like the rest of you, but we value the forum enough to spend extra time looking after it, rather then doing the things we want to do!😉
 
#87
If it’s a matter of votes than I’m with Eric, Grataku, CryingDragon,… “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. As Gataku pointed out, the forum has been running smoother than it had all of last year. Gray is back, Martin King is back, and I’ve seen posts from many of the old timers lately. The membership has been on a constant uphill climb as well. Why let a very few members alter the entire system. As Nania said, “DON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER!”

CryingDragon makes the complement point to Frank’s comments about newbees having some confidence in who is replying to their questions. There are many on the forum that are getting a chance to learn something for themselves, maybe for the first time in their lives. The monikers were recognition for their advancement through that learning process.

That’s my Vote,
Rodd Yamashita
 
#88
In the large meaning of the term a minstrel is just a traveling musician. That's what we call the singers that traveled around Europe in the middle ages. I sure that is what the person that described Halojoy/Gromanswe meant.

It is also used to describe a specific musical act in the united states where white people would put on black face makeup and play music a sing songs and act stupid and silly like they claimed black people did. This version is indeed racist as hell.

SO .... the term minstrel is not inherently offensive, just one small version of it.

So..... they newbies shold have the most confidence in Halojoy because he posts the most???
The site already seems calmer without the competition for titles.
I like it and I was at least an elder. Don't reallly miss not being one....

The only constant is change-get used to it. The reason the forum is better now is BECAUSE of the changes implemented. Maybe that's why the people are coming back
 
#89
#1 changes are made
#2 People JUST magically come back

there are no notifications of changes, i didnt get an email about changes, how are ppl JUST coming back? did the moderators say HEY there are some title changes PLEASE COME BACK!! i dont think ppl are coming back because of changes...YET i can be wrong. anywho i am AGAINST changes, the titles were fun,i enjoyed being a prophet, it kinda feels like a videogame.**dreams** ahh if only i can be a Dark KNight...ahh...with summoning powers...😀
 
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roddyama said:
CryingDragon makes the complement point to Frank’s comments about newbees having some confidence in who is replying to their questions. There are many on the forum that are getting a chance to learn something for themselves, maybe for the first time in their lives. The monikers were recognition for their advancement through that learning process.
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1st your moniker is roddyama, it is titles that we are discussing.

This forum is a work in progress. Jason has a vision for it, that is far from complete.

Since things are running smoothly and people are mostly getting along, it is the best time to start slowly making some of the changes required to fullfilling his vision. We are encoraging member input, as it is the members that are the lifeblood of the forum. The mods don't have all the answers (or all the questions) and we can't get it close to the best set of compromises (and it will almost always be a compromise) without your input.

It is always convienient when a member brings up a question already on the agenda (then we can just sit back and see how the membership responds without adding moderator bias) and i thank kelticwizard for bringing up this one.

The former title system was clearly not very good at communicating what it seemed to be communicating. This is an issue that has been coming up on & off since i 1st joined this forum (that info is in the info bar to the left).

Besides unanimous approval of the mod team, this thread seems to show, that among those who care enuff to post, that untying the title from post count is a welcome change by the majority (and is a required pre-cursor to something additional in this spot that will help fullfill our mandate).

I want something good in its intended place (well not in its place, but in addition too).

No one has even responded to my post asking for constructive suggestions on how we can actually accomplish the communication of a members relative competance level in a single short phrase.

At this point i favour something a member chooses for themselves (and that can be modified if other members don't fell it is justified -- based on real posts). Some selection of a reasonable number of choices. ie Broadly experienced, experienced, getting there, just starting, completely lost... i'm not satisfied with those phrases (some selection set with humour or wit or an allusion to something fairly well known would be best), but there intent is not bad... if you want to help lets get some suggestions going.

Tied in with this, a more complete set of profile information (as per mrfeedback's comment) is something i would like to see. We are working on a colourful carrot to help there.

Most of this requires Jason's hand so all we can do is talk about it until he returns from holidays, so please let's have some constructive discussion.

Anyone who wants to whine please go to the Monty Python forum.

dave :captain:
(in official capacity)
 
#92
Dave: How to communicate a member's relative competence level? An impossible task. Ask 5 people about the competence level of a sixth and you'll get 5 different answers. And any objective measure (e.g., number of soldering iron burn scars) is self-reported, anyway.

You could have a self description on a 1 to 6 scale:

1. Who is Ohm?
2. I can tell you Ohm's Law.
3. I can actually USE Ohm's Law.
4. I know that Ohm's Law is a special case of J = sigma E.
5. I do contour integrals in my sleep.
6. Stanley Lipshitz calls me for advice.

or something like that.
 
#93
Most of the uproars that have happen on this site about every few months are the result of moderators acting hastly or tampering with what is none of their business.
I can remember at least two instances. First banning HH (which had to be done IMO, I know Rodd will disagree on that), let him freely roam the site under more and more bizarre aliases and then reinstaing him as the price.
Second banning Frank for some scuff with Dicey-Dice, I can hardly remember the ****** reason given for that.
I am sure I am forgetting some other major ones. My memory for these things is very short lived I tend to get upset but then I quickly forget.
I could comprehend those blunders, to a certain extent, as moderation growing pains. This I consider more serious. I thought that moderators were ENFORCERS, now all of a sudden they find themselves in the position of being LAW MAKERS, and "grand masters of cerimony".
I liked it more when Jason had full control over the general direction and appearance of this site. Changes appeared to be the result of smart thinking from a smart guy that were balancing his own feelings about the site versus the feelings of the majority of users. The way things are right now? I don't know.
 
#94
Well, this forum now sucks. I like the fact that at a glance i can see if this person has had alot of experience on the forums or not. Their rating does not always refelect how much they know, but more often then not, i have been helped by elders and been anoyed by neos. I do not see what is so un-pc about the rating system. Frankly i think this web site is a model for all forums out there. Granted there are a few safety issues here, but clearly no reason to change the entire forum around.
 
#97
Rankings, postings, what does it realy matter? I am here now for about 3 months, still don't know much to be able to help others but still like to read comments and ask a usefull/stupid question now and then. I don't care if an "enlightened elder prohet" which actually are a handyman/carpenter or a "just arrived, newbie" with a masters/doctorate in nuclear physics , give me some advice or refer me to a link where I can find my information. The main idea is to help each other / share audio related information. So thanx to those who care to do it, and just keep it "clean" . 😉
 
#98
its just an avatar..a small...little gif file..a harmless...little picture. a picture that has caused NO harm..NO danger..i've been using this avatar for a while now and i've NEVER got any comments on it.will there be bloodshed,tears,lies,and devastion is TWO ppl have the SAME avatar?? or is this just a diversion off the subject at hand..NO other moderators have said ANYthing on it. would it be different if i were copying a "Low level" member? i think this avatar is DAMN cool, its Multiplexxors and he hasnt said a word about this, i find it ..a bit.."odd" that you do..


what happend to freedom..😕
 
#99
Grataku, could you mind your posts please, I know you feel strongly about the situation, but there is no need to use bad language.

Verbose, is it really that much of a change, after all, most forums have no visible rankings, and they are none the worse for it. I personally, ( and not as a mod), feel that you can tell by a poster's words and phrasing how competant they are, and the volume of messages is not really relevant. There are members who have posted maybe a dozen times that I would trust and respect, ( not necessarily believe, after all, this is the Internet), and others who have made many posts, who are just good for entertainment, at the best...

And anyway, I was well on the way to enlightenment, not just a prophet, how do you think I feel, now being stuck as a mod😀

Negative Design,

Multiplexor has commented on the "borrowing" of his avatar privately, and Dave, as Sheriff, was acting on his behalf. Yes, if you copied a low level member nothing may have happened for a while, but it would have happened once we noticed, or the member brought it to our attention.
 
#100
geez its just an avatar... no offense but is he gonna cry if i keep it? and QUOTE "afterall it IS just the internet" does being a moderator make u GOD? does being a moderator give you the right of taking away my PRIVELAGE of "borrowing" anothers avatar? and again no offense but i DO NOT believe you when you say if it was a lower level member i'd get the same treatment.I dont know...but it seems some moderators have issues...being the nice guy that i am i will stop the tearflow and whining, YES ppl the goverment has conquered the ppl ONCE again:bigeyes: i will give up MY beloved avatar:bawling:

#1 changes of class (to make us feel unspecial 🙁 )
#2 censorship of meaningless avatars

if anyone breaks these these rules...a death penalty is in order lol

Moderators or Monarchs? YOU be the judge
 
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