Got the pair playing in my office today.
Woden Design's Twin EL166 ML-TL (with my own variations). Executed as an MTM with an FF85KeN. We started this one before FF85 was discontinued, you could use your favorite mid-tweeter -- i think Alpair 6M should be a good candidate -- or a tweeter of your choice.
Lots of good well controlled bass. Even thou XO work is still at early stage, i am quite happy with them.
dave
Woden Design's Twin EL166 ML-TL (with my own variations). Executed as an MTM with an FF85KeN. We started this one before FF85 was discontinued, you could use your favorite mid-tweeter -- i think Alpair 6M should be a good candidate -- or a tweeter of your choice.
Lots of good well controlled bass. Even thou XO work is still at early stage, i am quite happy with them.
dave
I forgot to post up a few months back when I did a similar set. I think mine were based on the first set of plans you guys had released. The bass is quite surprising and indeed very well controlled. I paired mine with the ERT26 tweeter from CSS as well. Simply stunning sound from an extremely low amount spent in drivers.
Bringing this one up again. I had been working on this idea and did not realise this thread existed. I was thinking of using two EL166 with an EL70 in a fast system but there would be quite a high sensitivity mismatch. What other 3" _ 4" driver or even slightly larger would match the sensitivity of two EL166 in parallel and still go all the way to the top with good quality sound? I was thinking of a much lower crossover than you have probably used here. It might need to be able to handle a bit more power than the little fostex also.
Thanks for any input,
jamikl
Thanks for any input,
jamikl
EL70 is probably about the right sensitivity if you have a SS amp & XO at or about the baffle step frequency.
dave
dave
Thanks for that Dave. I was thinking about trying tubes for a change but with all the different types of speakers I fancy I think it will be back to SS for me. Maybe a nice lower powered Class A or something from Nelson.
How is the sound of the EL166 say up to about 300Hz or is there something else about the same size I should be looking at? This could suit a shape similar to the poormans Strad🙂
jamikl
How is the sound of the EL166 say up to about 300Hz or is there something else about the same size I should be looking at? This could suit a shape similar to the poormans Strad🙂
jamikl
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I forgot to post up a few months back when I did a similar set. I think mine were based on the first set of plans you guys had released. The bass is quite surprising and indeed very well controlled. I paired mine with the ERT26 tweeter from CSS as well. Simply stunning sound from an extremely low amount spent in drivers.
They look handsome!
What type of music have you tried on these?
-Zia
X-Over
Could you please post the x-over for these?
I forgot to post up a few months back when I did a similar set. I think mine were based on the first set of plans you guys had released. The bass is quite surprising and indeed very well controlled. I paired mine with the ERT26 tweeter from CSS as well. Simply stunning sound from an extremely low amount spent in drivers.
Could you please post the x-over for these?
I'll have to look for it and also ask the person who designed it if it's ok to be posted. Remind me with a PM if I forget.
The cabs with the el166 and ert tweeters is more detailed and has better dispersion. One thing I will say is that the coniston^2 has a very nice stage presence. The side firing driver really brings life to the room. Bass response is good on both but more controlled on the el166 drivers really just because of the cone area advantage🙂
Thanks - kind of what you'd guess I suppose. I like the side firing idea and the ambience it would provide even though it may make some purists cringe which I also find enjoyable.
Ehhh, to be honest I think it might be closer to "real" than a normal speaker. Live music, being sang or made with instruments, doesn't project in only one direction. So saying a speaker that projects in multiple directions is wrong by design doesn't seem to be 100% accurate in my book. I think that a lot of these different designs all have something unique about them that's beneficial and that's what makes them special.
I agree with that. I should have more correctly said those who consider themselves to be purists. I worked with a few of them at a high-end retailer in Houston back in the 70's. Their nostrils would flare at any attempt to add ambience. Of course they hated Bose but so did I ,not because of the concept but because they were junk and I had to fix (or totally rebuild) them.
Nope, single pair of binding posts with a final impedance of 8ohms if I recall correctly. I don't have this set in my home anymore (gave them to a friend) so I can't pull the crossovers and look at them. My friend who did the design for the crossover has been very busy lately with work but I'm trying to catch him when he's got a free moment.
Thank you Steve and look forward to hearing from you. Hope your friend can catch a breather soon 🙂.
-Zia
-Zia
Is there any particular reason the mid-tweet is between the woofs? Thinking about moving the top woofer down and the mid-tweet above it and mounting another mid-tweet on top facing up. Thoughts?
Jimbro,
Probably to reduce lobing issues. Tweeter and woofer centers cannot be too far apart. Please refer to Planet10's post # 839 of following thread:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/164832-mar-kel70-sweden-84.html
If Dave is reading this please chime in.
-Zia
Probably to reduce lobing issues. Tweeter and woofer centers cannot be too far apart. Please refer to Planet10's post # 839 of following thread:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/164832-mar-kel70-sweden-84.html
If Dave is reading this please chime in.
-Zia