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I dunno, but my speakers are flat at one meter... but bad at two meters in a small room (500Hz and up)... since I've sorted out the acoustics a little (bad WAF) it is better, but since I have to walk on the floor I can't put 40cm of Polyfill at the first reflections... and I have dip from 600 - 800 Hz... a peak there would be nice, if it sorted the dip of course, if the 165mm didn't disperse at those frequencies hey presto!
Different strokes for different folks - any speaker barring probably a line array will see floor bounce... problem solved...
I dunno, but my speakers are flat at one meter... but bad at two meters in a small room (500Hz and up)... since I've sorted out the acoustics a little (bad WAF) it is better, but since I have to walk on the floor I can't put 40cm of Polyfill at the first reflections... and I have dip from 600 - 800 Hz... a peak there would be nice, if it sorted the dip of course, if the 165mm didn't disperse at those frequencies hey presto!
Different strokes for different folks - any speaker barring probably a line array will see floor bounce... problem solved...
Wp 5.1
Perhaps you have not heard the Wilson's with proper DIY equipment, such as the X-CCS-BOSOZ (testing in-progress) and the Krell KSA 50 Clone (finished) (here)
edit- took a long time before I had the courage to connect DIY items to these speakers.....
Perhaps you have not heard the Wilson's with proper DIY equipment, such as the X-CCS-BOSOZ (testing in-progress) and the Krell KSA 50 Clone (finished) (here)
edit- took a long time before I had the courage to connect DIY items to these speakers.....
Hornlover said:
Interesting. The guy who told me that worked as an engineer for years. But i think he worked mostly in NY. I don't have any experience with studios - but my friend told me that most of them, usually if they spent a lot of money on the hardware - didn't really cut it acoustically. so i'd buy that.
This is a bit OT, but I auditioned a set of Meadowlarks over the weekend. These are speakers that seem to be doing everything right (in my opinion) - 3-way, 1st order, time aligned, t-line - but they sound hard - too forward, something. And i was listening to them through a set of 500w Manley monoblocks.
Bratislav asked
This one for instance:
Geithains RL 901: http://www.me-geithain.de/index2.html?eng
Or this one (same price range as an Evidence but including the active electronics):
http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/bb5xbd.html
Regards
Charles
This one for instance:
Geithains RL 901: http://www.me-geithain.de/index2.html?eng
Or this one (same price range as an Evidence but including the active electronics):
http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/bb5xbd.html
Regards
Charles
Bratislav,Bratislav said:
I'm getting to listen to a pair tomorrow night (admittedly not in the best of circumstances - large room, lots of people). I might be able to listen to the pair in that persons' house if I like them...
Make yourself known to the guys out front (with the badges) as it'll probably be pretty full. You may even want to join after... 🙂
phase_accurate said:
Geithains RL 901
Um .... interesting. Never heard of them before. Will be pretty difficult to get to hear them ... Not many references.
I hope they make speakers better than web sites though 😀
PMC - I have heard some of their 'domestic' models (using Dynaudio drivers, funny that 🙂 ).
<Their web site ain't crash hot either 😡 , couldn't get any of the pdf's.> Not the pro stuff though.
Interesting choices though - high efficiency and transmission lines.
Thanks,
Bratislav
Cloth Ears said:
Please do ! I don't know how well they will cover such a large venue (that is one of things that I have pondering at the back of my mind re Orions as my listening room is fairly large, almost 50sqm, 10 ft ceilings).
Try them in home environment if you can - you won't regret.
Or maybe you will !!! 😛
Bratislav said:
It'll be an interesting test, as 40-50 bodies soak up a fair bit of sound. The left and right walls are essentially besa-brick, and the rear wall is (fairly) heavy curtain. It's not bad, but then it's not very good either.
I'll let you know what they sound like to me 🙂
Damn!Cloth Ears said:
I was fooled, as one of the other members brought along his own OB speakers (Seas woofer, home-made mid-range, home-made ES tweeter), which had a lot of things in common with the Orion. Unfortunately, the Orions couldn't make it, I learned later.
My apologies David. I'll let you know if they are coming to a listening area near me.David Gatti said:
No worries Cloth ears. It was good to catch up with you, Paul and the 100 or so other Melbourne Audio Club members. An enjoyable evening.
Merry Xmas
David
Merry Xmas
David
I have just joined this forum and so have a lot of catching up to do, but this thread caught my eye and I have some comments and questions. There seem to be some very knowledgable and bright people discussing this subject but can anyone tell me what accuracy is? If you go to a concert hall and sit in row 15 one day and sit in row 25 another day, which experience was more accurate? They certainly were different! The frequency response that you heard on day one was different than it was on day two for sure. Is a loudspeaker that measures very flat at one meter accurate? Are we even measuring the right parameters?
I had an experience at CES several years ago - I was walking in the main convention center when I heard the sound of a trumpet.
I knew instantly that this was a live trumpet and not a recorded or amplified one. Following my ears for at least another 100 yards, I found Wynton Marsalis playing his horn for some young musicians, not using a mic at all. The background noise level was huge in this place with audio systems blaring, etc, and yet I was instantly aware that I was hearing a live acoustic instrument. Later, walking down the halls of the high end audio exhibits, and hearing all sorts of music being demo'd, I was never fooled into thinking there was a live instrument in any of them. This must tell us something, but what?
I had an experience at CES several years ago - I was walking in the main convention center when I heard the sound of a trumpet.
I knew instantly that this was a live trumpet and not a recorded or amplified one. Following my ears for at least another 100 yards, I found Wynton Marsalis playing his horn for some young musicians, not using a mic at all. The background noise level was huge in this place with audio systems blaring, etc, and yet I was instantly aware that I was hearing a live acoustic instrument. Later, walking down the halls of the high end audio exhibits, and hearing all sorts of music being demo'd, I was never fooled into thinking there was a live instrument in any of them. This must tell us something, but what?
I've been on about this for a long time. Even around corners, in lousy environments, through open windows, whatever, there's something about live instruments that cues us in a way that hifi doesn't.
amhifi said:
IMO, it tells us we have a significant distance to travel in designing truly realistic audio gear. And to the extent we don't know why a real trumpet sounds so different from a reproduced trumpet (short of saying, well, it's real after all), we're still groping in the relative dark.
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