Assuming that this thread is intended for airing thoughts regarding the simple question "what is gravity" and all its other labels, whether they may or may not offend your sensibilities, such as levity or anti gravity, they are without doubt only labels that indicate the lives works of the fascinated, being persistent, unremitting, singular, encompassing and as long as we are alive, the pursuit as to 'hows that work?' will never end. There is a a deep root of creativity in to any interpretation of reality.
The inventors, experimenters and pioneers own lab notes or references that are lost, destroyed, seized or 'buried' would be a very long list, or that other reason of their not being able to afford a patent application, using that age old method of 'keeping it to them self' for fear of being commercially exploited, or their ideas perverted contrary to the nature of the spark that graced the idea in the first place, many have been a loss to human endeavour, in some scenarios losses we cannot even imagine. What remains of those that got far enough are the Patent record or their own works published. We need to read more books in the words and proofs of the one there present. Not rely on skewed internet sources and journalists. Posting less and contemplate more.
There is a palpable historic contempt for the electrical arts from Physicists and Mathematicians, why? Because electrical engineers are playing with the energies themselves looking right into them and though them, beyond them, deadly error or destruction potentially ever present, the pressure of that discipline and insights gained from being in these fields and trying to communicate these insights, are part of what we have come to call Science. When was science last science 1980's maybe? Who was the Scottish inventor of 350 years ago that clearly has the grasp of electrostatics?
Open minds, the challenge.
ThomasTownsend Brown is no small innovator, under the wing of some of the most powerful of the day, his first British Patents recorded November 1928 300,311 Taking him till the 1970's before the math coalesced in the form of Sub-quantum Kinetics (also the title of a book by Paul A. La Violette who advocates a systems approach)
The analogy of gravity and some form of electric as a spherical capacitor in motion is interesting, perhaps a wild assembly of Teslas discovery of standing waves (Colorado spring notes); the ionosphere/ rarefied gas being a conductor of high frequencies. The Van Allen belts beyond that. The Casimir pressuring effect. Schumann resonance of the Earth, are related?
Have you ever looked at S.O.H.O? You can see with their CCD sensors some type of flux tube that connects to galactic central point, transformed by the sun. Stars and planets have this connection, the massive increase in this energy in the last few centuries is well noted, the increase in recent years to the extent that it's become visible, Jupiter is the most obvious, with the occasional flux tubes being seen between the moons.
Fascinating stuff. https://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov
See: Lasco C3 gif archive
If for no other reason, Tom Van Flanderns book, Dark Materials, has one of the most fleshed out, carefully nuanced descriptors of Science,
it's benefits and failings that I've read, suggested reading for anyone interested in expanding their views on the nature of Gravity,
an open mind a prerequisite.
A composer, I think it was Edgar Varese who said
"Contrary to general belief, an artist is never ahead of his time,
but most people are far behind theirs."
A cogent reminder for those of us lucky enough to have had glimpses in their youth.
Hope the weekends full of enjoyment.
The inventors, experimenters and pioneers own lab notes or references that are lost, destroyed, seized or 'buried' would be a very long list, or that other reason of their not being able to afford a patent application, using that age old method of 'keeping it to them self' for fear of being commercially exploited, or their ideas perverted contrary to the nature of the spark that graced the idea in the first place, many have been a loss to human endeavour, in some scenarios losses we cannot even imagine. What remains of those that got far enough are the Patent record or their own works published. We need to read more books in the words and proofs of the one there present. Not rely on skewed internet sources and journalists. Posting less and contemplate more.
There is a palpable historic contempt for the electrical arts from Physicists and Mathematicians, why? Because electrical engineers are playing with the energies themselves looking right into them and though them, beyond them, deadly error or destruction potentially ever present, the pressure of that discipline and insights gained from being in these fields and trying to communicate these insights, are part of what we have come to call Science. When was science last science 1980's maybe? Who was the Scottish inventor of 350 years ago that clearly has the grasp of electrostatics?
Open minds, the challenge.
ThomasTownsend Brown is no small innovator, under the wing of some of the most powerful of the day, his first British Patents recorded November 1928 300,311 Taking him till the 1970's before the math coalesced in the form of Sub-quantum Kinetics (also the title of a book by Paul A. La Violette who advocates a systems approach)
The analogy of gravity and some form of electric as a spherical capacitor in motion is interesting, perhaps a wild assembly of Teslas discovery of standing waves (Colorado spring notes); the ionosphere/ rarefied gas being a conductor of high frequencies. The Van Allen belts beyond that. The Casimir pressuring effect. Schumann resonance of the Earth, are related?
Have you ever looked at S.O.H.O? You can see with their CCD sensors some type of flux tube that connects to galactic central point, transformed by the sun. Stars and planets have this connection, the massive increase in this energy in the last few centuries is well noted, the increase in recent years to the extent that it's become visible, Jupiter is the most obvious, with the occasional flux tubes being seen between the moons.
Fascinating stuff. https://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov
See: Lasco C3 gif archive
If for no other reason, Tom Van Flanderns book, Dark Materials, has one of the most fleshed out, carefully nuanced descriptors of Science,
it's benefits and failings that I've read, suggested reading for anyone interested in expanding their views on the nature of Gravity,
an open mind a prerequisite.
A composer, I think it was Edgar Varese who said
"Contrary to general belief, an artist is never ahead of his time,
but most people are far behind theirs."
A cogent reminder for those of us lucky enough to have had glimpses in their youth.
Hope the weekends full of enjoyment.
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The man who mastered gravity!
Did his flying saucer ever fly?
These days, this would simply be regarded as a form of ion propulsion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster
Here's the man himself, at the centre of a Venn diagram:
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The proper science behind that is well known:
Io is the most volcanic body in the solar system, with hundreds of active volcanoes.
And it turns out those volcanoes also help make Jupiter the most powerful particle accelerator in the Solar System!
Particles of material ejected from the volcanoes on Io become charged by the abundance of electrons, protons and ions surrounding Jupiter.
The charged particles are then accelerated up to millions of miles per hour by Jupiter's strong and rotating magnetic field, and an electric circuit is created between Io and Jupiter.
The image shows Jupiter's aurora, taken in ultraviolet light by Hubble. The very bright spot or "auroral footprint" on the left shows where electric currents from Io rain down on Jupiter's upper atmosphere.
In 2018, while closing in on Jupiter for its 12th time, NASA’s Juno spacecraft flew very near the "electric circuit" between Io and Jupiter and detected the particle flux between the two bodies. The full story is here: https://www.jhuapl.edu/NewsStory/210215-Io-helps-Jupiter-accelerate-particles
I wrote about it in the Artemis thread.
I'll have a look to try and dig out the amazing image that was in mind above... of some probe that got a closer shot of one of these flux tubes. Not sure if it made the transition from Hard Drives!
Is that necessary? So labeled by those that weren't there, without comprehension.
The story of progress in a backward 'society' seems to me.
It must have been quite the challenge to make sense of phenomena that could not be explored due to prior limitations and quite another to harness!
The guy succeeded and we're here 'talking' about it decades later.
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We are left asking what, exactly, did Thomas Townsend Brown succeed in?
Did his 'electrogravitics' really power the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber?
Of course we are told that, due to the military's TOP SECRET classification, Thomas Townsend Brown's work has not appeared in any scientific publications that can be accessed.
Apparently, Thomas Townsend Brown was inspired by Nikola Tesla's concept of an electrogravitic aircraft:
Of course, the powers that be have concealed Tesla's work as well!
Makes you think! 😉
Had a good dig, can't find it. Maybe something in the 'needle in the haystack' of the SOHO archive, and to skip through that one would either have to have dates and times or a G/s speed internet connection.
I did find this though, good visualiser, not entirely related.
I did find this though, good visualiser, not entirely related.
We discussed the axial tilts of the planets not long ago on page 244.
See the animation here: https://laughingsquid.com/rotation-speed-of-planets-in-solar-system/
Unlike the other planets which revolve round the Sun like spinning tops, Uranus is more like a rolling ball going round the Sun.
I can see no relation to your discussion unless, at some point in its history, Uranus has been zapped by a wayward flux tube!
See the animation here: https://laughingsquid.com/rotation-speed-of-planets-in-solar-system/
Unlike the other planets which revolve round the Sun like spinning tops, Uranus is more like a rolling ball going round the Sun.
I can see no relation to your discussion unless, at some point in its history, Uranus has been zapped by a wayward flux tube!
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We've moved on from the title of the thread, but sometimes we gravitate back to it!
Keeping a thread like this going takes a lot of balls - just ask system7!
Keeping a thread like this going takes a lot of balls - just ask system7!
Hm, Galu 7, Earths 6 on post count this page. A close contest in the Windbag Stakes! 🙄
There is no nice way to say this. Thomas Townsend Brown is some sort of crackpot. But I found Earths video of planet rotation interesting, and hope you get into some serious science.
I have in fact been exploring Electro-Gravitics, and have figured out how to overcome Gravity:
If only this power could be harnessed! 😎
I am still puzzling over momentum, especially with the snooker on at the moment:
Ronnie O'Sullivan must be very good at momentum calculations. 🙂
Also enjoying Sabine Hossenfelder's debunking of ludicrous Nobel prize winner, John F. Clauser's (Often quoted by Galu) current ramblings that there is no such thing as Climate Change.
He did win the prize for work done 50 years ago, and the old brain has clearly now gone. He thinks Global Warming simply speeds up the Earth's rotation.
Sabine gives him both barrels. As I do with all sloppy Physics.
One of her better rants, one feels. 🤣
There is no nice way to say this. Thomas Townsend Brown is some sort of crackpot. But I found Earths video of planet rotation interesting, and hope you get into some serious science.
I have in fact been exploring Electro-Gravitics, and have figured out how to overcome Gravity:
If only this power could be harnessed! 😎
I am still puzzling over momentum, especially with the snooker on at the moment:
Ronnie O'Sullivan must be very good at momentum calculations. 🙂
Also enjoying Sabine Hossenfelder's debunking of ludicrous Nobel prize winner, John F. Clauser's (Often quoted by Galu) current ramblings that there is no such thing as Climate Change.
He did win the prize for work done 50 years ago, and the old brain has clearly now gone. He thinks Global Warming simply speeds up the Earth's rotation.
Sabine gives him both barrels. As I do with all sloppy Physics.
One of her better rants, one feels. 🤣
I contributed to a discussion on John Clauser back on page 126. He jointly won the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics for discoveries in quantum entanglement.
Clauser has never published a peer-reviewed paper on climate change, but reckons Earth’s temperature is primarily determined by cloud cover, not carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels.
83 year old Clauser's transition from smart physicist to climate change denier provides an example of the "Nobel Disease".
https://bigthink.com/the-past/nobel-disease-great-scientists-go-crazy/
not enough to get airborne, nowhere near to becoming a prime mover.
Invention is crackpottery, then you make a new one, repeat until you get results, well that's the Edison method.
I hereby make system7 the Keeper of the Winds, both to still and to rouse whatever one he will.
Aeolus handing Odysseus the bag of winds
The engineer disregards theory that doesn't help the project or harnessing of phenomena.
The academic unable to explain a phenomena, asserts it doesn't exist.
One of the many abilities that those with a catalogue of extraordinary achievements have in common, is to develop their own math to attain results that make the project work, re shaping, adapting or changing the 'tools' to get better results. That in my opinion is engineering at it's best.
The academic unable to explain a phenomena, asserts it doesn't exist.
One of the many abilities that those with a catalogue of extraordinary achievements have in common, is to develop their own math to attain results that make the project work, re shaping, adapting or changing the 'tools' to get better results. That in my opinion is engineering at it's best.
"A new language requires a new technique. If what you're saying doesn't require a new language, then what you're saying probably isn't new."
No idea who said that, but it wisnae me.
No idea who said that, but it wisnae me.
Grid operators say that anomalous oscillations in 400 kV power lines were responsible for today's power cut chaos in Spain and Portugal.
Oscillations of power lines can be caused by wind speeds that stimulate their natural resonant frequencies - remember the Tacoma Bridge Collapse?
However, in this case extreme temperature variations in the interior of Spain have led to a phenomenon known as 'induced atmospheric vibration'.
That's interesting!
Oscillations of power lines can be caused by wind speeds that stimulate their natural resonant frequencies - remember the Tacoma Bridge Collapse?
However, in this case extreme temperature variations in the interior of Spain have led to a phenomenon known as 'induced atmospheric vibration'.
That's interesting!