That was pointed out enough in this thread and I agree that ‘audio perfection’ can’t be judged by distortion and noise only. Far from it, but those two are important anyway.
It would be of interest to measure Maggie’s and boxed speakers in same environments to check thd/noise fq
The advantage of electro, is they form a big even soundwave which is more accurate than a small cone beaming at you
Geddes attributed it to a lack of interest in the industry. There was no consumer demand for it. ASR doesn't rank on its scores (maybe because AP doesn't support it; maybe because of a lack of AP customer demand for it, maybe in part because AP would want more licensing fees every year if they did support it?).
I haven't heard electrostatics, but I can deduce that the highly directional wave-front can greatly reduce room interaction, which probably has some interesting headphone-like effects.
However, reproducing sound through something that is essentially a very large, fussy dipole would still count as a 'production' effect in my book. Every sound is converted into a dipole radiation pattern once it exits the speakers. I'm not getting dragged into a long discussion about what's better or more accurate. Maybe some kind of multi-channel / sound steering application is what's missing?
If LFEs can be sent to a special subwoofer channel, then by the same token, trumpets could be sent to compression drivers, or a directional speaker array. Pianos, strings various other instruments could get varying amounts of dipole treatment, and triangles get more 'air' with back-firing tweeters.
Now, is that a production or reproduction effort??
Electrostatic is like listening to a STAX headphone from 2 feet of you ears. There is a loss of low detail info due to all the room reverb which is double than a box speaker. They suffer especially in the bass region.
My 6 watts pp tube amp destroys all my other amps in the bass department, it is clear, tunefull, and natural, I could never measure why
I listen at 1-1.5 watts in peaks, I attribute this to the lower feedback and low output Z before feedback, they run at 370v , 25ma bias
I have amps with 600v and 70ma bias and it is not as good.
I listen at 1-1.5 watts in peaks, I attribute this to the lower feedback and low output Z before feedback, they run at 370v , 25ma bias
I have amps with 600v and 70ma bias and it is not as good.
Not necessarily. The Sound Lab electrostatics here are good down to about 30Hz. From 30Hz down to about 14Hz a pair of REL subs augments the low end. The system can shake the house if desired; one listener remarked that it was almost scary when turned up loud.
Its a pair of these: https://rel.net/products/s-812?variant=50056522531032 That the one you had?
By most accounts these are considered pretty good 🙂
By most accounts these are considered pretty good 🙂
no I had one, the model with the class AB and a passive radiator...
It was just good for a realistic double bass for jazz music, for everything else I know just live with what I have.
My dual 7 inches goes down cleaner to 45hz, I don't need the 35hz much and it cause more problems than solve. My new system (to be diy built) will be scan-speak 13, which will hopefully be more musical.
It was just good for a realistic double bass for jazz music, for everything else I know just live with what I have.
My dual 7 inches goes down cleaner to 45hz, I don't need the 35hz much and it cause more problems than solve. My new system (to be diy built) will be scan-speak 13, which will hopefully be more musical.
Production is when someone is producing music. It's the instant of a musician doing its job. If you want to hear such a production you need to reproduce it.
Is this so hard to understand? I'm surprised.
What you mention is a distorted reproduction.
Yes, a loudspeaker can be production - ask J Hendrix.
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I apologize but it is very very difficult to establish these things.
In my opinion it's impossible.
The words "faithful" and "altered" can be objective or subjective depending on the context, if the context is music i think everything is subjective.
Let's not forget what music is.
Music is fun, not a competition.
It has noting to do with faithful or not i.e. production/reproduction is not a quality statement - it's about when and why the sound was emitted. Was it a part of making music - production. Was it a replay of a recording or even a replay of a live feed for the sake listening - reproduction. Look up the meaning of the words and I think you will be able to sort it out...
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THD is my best listening friend. No matter what I listen to or where or what I listen to it on, THD is always there. Like an old trusted friend.
When you paint a room cream in color everybody calls it white until you paint some white over it.
When you paint a room cream in color everybody calls it white until you paint some white over it.
Honestly...no.
I just don't understand such a complicated path to get to a simple goal that is listening to music.
Or at least i thought that was what was being talked about here.
I mean, i understand what is meant by production and reproduction, but i thought it was related to music, and that's why we were talking about high fidelity for enthusiasts.
I apologize if i didn't understand but i still think it's too complicated.
"Occam's Razor".
Also, i think i found a mistake in what you meant to write, if i understand better now:
Anyway, the result doesn't change.
I don't understand.
In any case, if i want to listen to real sound, i go to a live concert, don't you think?