Does anyone else hate the term "soundstage" ?

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planet10 said:
The term,in one form or another, goes all the way back to when stereo was invented, that was the whole point.

dave
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Yes but, it was not always applied to audio play back.
Sound stage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In playback context it simple means realistically as in the original "soundstage" where it was recorded.

Can we get off the merry go round of what it means? That is not the issue of my OP which was claiming good sound stage that is at the mercy of many variables in place of real meaningful specs.. 🙂

Would anyone here honestly purchase a phono cartridge that only promises good soundstage in lieu of any specs at all ? You guys honestly would not like to know any details about the cartridge so you can make an informed (and compatible) choice? 😉
 
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#102
Hummm,

Perceived width of soundstage...
Perceived height of soundstage..
Perceived depth of soundstage...

The Leader tests..

Online LEDR Sound Test | Listening Environment Diagnostic Recording Test

🙄..Of course the perceived shape of soundstage will vary with equipment type. However it depends if you want a cinema soundstage or accurate presentation..(Define accurate) <<<preferred.

I thought this is what HIFI is all about...but then again..

If you hate the word Soundstage then perhaps you need to listen to some Magnepan and a Krell.
Because you have to "know" what it is to hate it!
When you hear a small room "become" a cathedral its quite impressive.

Sounds like an advertisement..
It takes Good equipment to "show" sound stage...it takes very good equipment to make you think your there!
But....<<and that's the problem isn't it! 😀

If there is something wrong with the frequency response of the equipment..you can get a hole in the "soundstage".
Or no soundstage speakers out of phase...etc
But then again its audiophile babble..or is it? 😀

This type of cap changes the sound stage so I don't use it....etc...etc..


Regards
M. Gregg
 
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#104
The key word/issue here is the term "soundstage" which is used ad nauseum...... not obtaining it.
The fact that some are completely ignoring this illustrates how the term is so over used that its all some can think of .

It's like constantly saying a race car needs "great performance" without the ability/knowledge/info needed to determine what parts/things help you obtain great performance . I do not know how much clearer that I could make my point.

Again, I'm sure those here know how to get a good sound stage. I'm referring to the general public..🙂
 
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I can sympathize with JoeDJ's annoyance at the frivolous use of that term and many others. A salesman has to communicate in terms that a newbie might understand. If he trys to explain how the ear hears vs. frequency, and about inter-aural cancellation, and comb filter effects of the listening room, etc. he'll lose most customers. It sort of sums up a lot of things in a somewhat comprehendable way.

More annoying is talk about speaker wires and tone controls IMO. Any 16AWG wire is very probably fine and you do want tone controls, preferably a 4 section Baxadall circuit.
 
#115
SY said:
I'll ask the question again: how is this distinct from imaging?
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Personally, I would call imaging purely the capability of the system allowing one to pinpoint the position of the sound, and to hear the fine detail therein. Then soundstaging is the extra information which identifies the environment in which the sound is happening, the acoustic or ambience surrounding the musical event, or individual sounds within the whole.

As an example, a recording of a musical: the background music is happening in a large space, but the vocalist did his part in a small recording booth.
 
#118
isn't it a journalistic invention ?

and so maybe only halfway marketing

gosh, it's been years since I visited a hifi shop
I'm surpriced to hear they still exist

and to be honest, I don't think I have ever heard these fancy words or terms actually being said by anyone
it has always only been in text and writing :scratch2:
 
#119
DF96 said:
I think 'bigotry' is a trifle strong.
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Agreed. Not the best choice of word. "Prejudice" might be better.

Those who don't like the term seem to object to it because it's not an exact thing, or isn't easily measured. That leads to accusing those who use the term of making up things or of spouting mumbo-jumbo.

But pleasure and enjoyment aren't easily defined and measured (at least not like frequency response, power, distortion, etc) and yet they both are real and important.
The definition for Soundstage is still pretty vague, but it's an attempt to describe something important to a lot of people. It's part of the pleasure and enjoyment of listening to recorded sound.

Again I ask: Is it the concept that bother people, or the recent overuse of the word?
 
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