Concentrating on the next 3-way. 88-89 dB sensitivity ( at best ha ha ha ) would be good
for a little ensemble.
Looking for some good tube amps, as I'm accostumed to my SS amps.
Just playing some music from 18th century with Vivaldi #1
The last concert I attended to, it was in a church on a hill this summer ( very coooold!!)
and there was a clavicembalo and two viola da gamba, playing some French...
for a little ensemble.
Looking for some good tube amps, as I'm accostumed to my SS amps.
Just playing some music from 18th century with Vivaldi #1
The last concert I attended to, it was in a church on a hill this summer ( very coooold!!)
and there was a clavicembalo and two viola da gamba, playing some French...
That is quite old! What was the recording equipment like back then. Your hearing still okayg? 😱
Yep, why go vinyl when you can have a remote .... 🙂
@Frank,
Pretty naive to think everyone has had the same bad experience Frank, i can assure you its not difficult to exceed the SQ of PC speakers signal feed from U-boob, i will give you this , if i had your lucid imagination , it would have saved me a bunch searching for real over the years ... 🙂
Advantage Frank ......
a.wayne, as usual missing the point - the vast majority of systems don't deliver convincing sound, I spent a number of years keeping my ears and eyes open to see how many others experience, have experienced or understand what I'm talking about - and that number is very, very small - unfortunately, you're not in that tiny grouping ... 😉. In WBF, there were 2 or 3 who knew what it was, and here people like Pano understand exactly what the goal is.
No, of course the PC doesn't do it, but I know the direction, and how to push the right buttons to get the most out of it, so I get a bit of a hint of what I'm after. There's no real point in trying to force it to do much more, the exercise is to understand the parameters that control the SQ, in its native, unmodified form.
My "pleasure" is to have full understanding about what is necessary in every case, for a system, to get convincing sound out of it - an ongoing exercise, relevant to both cheap and expensive setups. If I go serious about it I would do major surgery on the items, which is perhaps not the smartest thing for expensive, elevated bling items - hence my focus on the cheap end of the scale, at the moment.
I have zero interest in producing the 9,999th variation of, say, a DIY amplifier, just to say it's my amplifier - I want complete understanding of what makes the particular amplifier that I'm looking at, at that moment, either be capable of convincing sound or not - that's my angle ...
Giddit?
No, of course the PC doesn't do it, but I know the direction, and how to push the right buttons to get the most out of it, so I get a bit of a hint of what I'm after. There's no real point in trying to force it to do much more, the exercise is to understand the parameters that control the SQ, in its native, unmodified form.
My "pleasure" is to have full understanding about what is necessary in every case, for a system, to get convincing sound out of it - an ongoing exercise, relevant to both cheap and expensive setups. If I go serious about it I would do major surgery on the items, which is perhaps not the smartest thing for expensive, elevated bling items - hence my focus on the cheap end of the scale, at the moment.
I have zero interest in producing the 9,999th variation of, say, a DIY amplifier, just to say it's my amplifier - I want complete understanding of what makes the particular amplifier that I'm looking at, at that moment, either be capable of convincing sound or not - that's my angle ...
Giddit?
Frank,
I'm sure Pano ( who i agree with mostly) would not agree with you on an hi-fi system capable of sounding like a live Symphony. I can also say without reservation, the SOTA systems and hi-fi systems in general, exposed to over the last 35 yrs has given me enuff experience to say such.
Hi-Fi Cannot sound like a live Symphony, the whole process from recording to your ear drums is flawed enuff to fail .... 🙄
As to system quality, you have already given me your check list standards and all the boxes were checked, so I'm not sure what it is you are trying to say or suggest about what is lacking ...
Small speakers in a small room cannot even begin to give the illusion of a symphony, A Large speaker system in a large room can come close enuff to give the illusion of such , still , not anywhere near real.
I'm sure Pano ( who i agree with mostly) would not agree with you on an hi-fi system capable of sounding like a live Symphony. I can also say without reservation, the SOTA systems and hi-fi systems in general, exposed to over the last 35 yrs has given me enuff experience to say such.
Hi-Fi Cannot sound like a live Symphony, the whole process from recording to your ear drums is flawed enuff to fail .... 🙄
As to system quality, you have already given me your check list standards and all the boxes were checked, so I'm not sure what it is you are trying to say or suggest about what is lacking ...
Small speakers in a small room cannot even begin to give the illusion of a symphony, A Large speaker system in a large room can come close enuff to give the illusion of such , still , not anywhere near real.
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Paul finally got away from small speakers, sense his enthusiasm .. 🙂
Building a new Music Room Part 7 - YouTube
Building a new Music Room Part 7 - YouTube
Okay, start at the beginning - are your speakers subjectively totally invisible, irrespective of where you're listening from? If this key requirement is not in place then the illusion won't properly happen ...
The check list is key, but is never a guarantee. One thing, just one thing not quite right, is enough to completely undermine the system's capabilities to manifest the sound you're after - I should know, I've been fighting this extremely frustrating aspect of working towards optimum sound for decades.
So how I deal with that is to work backwards - not think of what should be improved; rather, where is there a weakness, in the system as a totality, that is stopping the sound from being 'right'? I know the good sound is there - because if I do enough, there it is, it emerges in pristine form, every time - it's never failed me. And the easiest way to pinpoint where the weakness is, is to put on your 'worst' recordings - they expose precisely, in glorious technicolour, the failings in the system at that moment. You use the information they provide as a guide as to where problems may lie - because when the 'bad' recordings 'work', then everything works ...
Edit: small speakers, in a small room, do work - they can create an immense vista, expanding vastly beyond the confines of the walls; subjectively, the room you're in completely ceases to exist, it's irrelevant to the equation - if the information coming from the speakers is good enough ...
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seriously, no matter how good a system is, it will not sound like the real thing, not even close. you talk as if you have the best system in the world and that all of use are wrong saying otherwise and that its because we dont have good systems.
It can sound like the real thing ... no, I don't have the best system, a million miles from it - but what I do have is the knowledge of how to make systems behave, give of their best. All systems can sound very impressive if the right things are done for them - but if those things are not done, then the problems will remain. A Ferrari with a single out of balance wheel will always be unpleasant to ride in, until that, trivial, wheel issue is resolved ...
For me, most systems have those sort of problems when I listen to them - and hence, are not convincing ...
I have answered all before Frank, why the circles ... 😕 please point me to the speaker that "disappears irrespective of seated position and you should include standing too , yes irrespective of where you stand ..
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Ahh, that imagination, love it .... 🙂
try these Franky, should really pin your ears .... 😀
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With highly abrasive sound, most likely ... if my ears are pinned, then the speaker, and more generally the system, has failed - and I've heard plenty of that over the years. I'm not interested in listening to a kid's hotted up car, with an open exhaust - I want to hear music.
So, your speakers are totally invisible, yes or no?
So, your speakers are totally invisible, yes or no?
Depends on your imagination🙂 Whats your frame of reference ? what speaker with your imagination does that to you ,
names Franky...
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I do note that the Magico's have "ridiculous" sensitivity, which is a big part of their abilities - the review here, Magico Ultimate II Horn Loudspeaker: Following a Dream | Hi-Fi+, clarifies many of the attributes of a properly working system - the bit below nicely sums up what part of it is about ...
As regards "invisible" speakers, this is a function of system 'correctness' - the 'best speakers in the world' will fail badly if driven poorly, and boring, tweaked $200 boxes can do it if fed good signals ...
The system used still wasn't 100%, there were some niggles - but it gives a flavour of what one is after ...
As regards "invisible" speakers, this is a function of system 'correctness' - the 'best speakers in the world' will fail badly if driven poorly, and boring, tweaked $200 boxes can do it if fed good signals ...
You've already got your answer, a.wayne - if you want a specific name, it's whatever you call your own speakers. Correctly driven, they would become "invisible" ...
Interesting article - they don't say what the source & amp were, but the pic reminds me of AMR...
@a.wayne Its not the speakers doing the impressing, its the system. My Taobao (brand 'Paiyon' aka Shenzhen Audio) speakers do what Frank is talking about, but only with optimized electronics to keep the noise levels down. They cost about half of what Frank mentioned as the figure. The pic of these speakers is over on one of my threads at WBF.
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Yes , i guess Brax , you are 1 or2 of that elusive smoke amd mirrors club of 3 Frank talks about, does this system, speaker , Dac better than dCs have a name or more obfuscated babble de goop ...
Err, just saying ..🙂
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Err, just saying ..🙂
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