I hope not. Putting a reactive metal at that interface is a terrible idea, potentially causing problems in order to solve imaginary issues.
Yes, though perhaps not in the way you intended.
What would be the point of using silver plating? What advantage would it have over gold or nickel?
Do you have a hypothesis or some reports of why it is desirable?
Do you have a hypothesis or some reports of why it is desirable?
I think what he is saying is: I want to come on this forum and gain some technical help with implementing my misconceptions, but please don't tell me that they are misconceptions. I want to share my misconceptions with you all, but I am not accustomed to dissent so I am likely to insult anyone who tries that. Everyone else should be open-minded and listen to what I say because I know the truth about these matters; therefore I don't need to listen to others.SY said:
A few do. Unnecessary, of course, but it makes some people happy.Tedknowlegy said:
changing the interconnects certainly changes the contact surfaces of the connector/s
Does that necessarily change the sound?
I would hope in a domestic environment that my contacts don't get that dirty that it would affect the sound quality.....
Or just use D38999 connectors🙂
Or just use D38999 connectors🙂
Assuming a 50K load, any contact resistance would need to be more than a few ohms and significantly non-linear before you could hear it. If only slightly non-linear then it might have to be more than a few hundred ohms. Both are possible, but both are unlikely.
In pro audio loads are typically 10K (line level) or 1K (mic). I don't remember ever hearing problems with a dirty XLR, but 1/4" and RCA, definitely.
I was asking because i needed to restore some vintage preamp connectors. I did not want to change them,as i am selling it or keeping it, as there might be people that would like the original ones.
I did not want to desolder them and let a friend of mine gold plate them as that also could be undesirable for the aesthetics and could change the look.
I could not nickel plate them on place, so that left the brush plating them with silver to keep the original aspect. And i was wondering how for example Cardas silver plated RCAs stay silver.
Or now you would start telling me that Cardas is crap at 20euros per plug, and i have to connect my tube amp and tube preamp and DAC using 2$ cable..
Honestly if i knew a bunch of little girls would attack me here would not have asked anything at all. I start to explain myself here the way i explained myself to girls when i was 14.
Its a DIY forum, right, and i could ask DIY questions, or what?
I did not want to desolder them and let a friend of mine gold plate them as that also could be undesirable for the aesthetics and could change the look.
I could not nickel plate them on place, so that left the brush plating them with silver to keep the original aspect. And i was wondering how for example Cardas silver plated RCAs stay silver.
Or now you would start telling me that Cardas is crap at 20euros per plug, and i have to connect my tube amp and tube preamp and DAC using 2$ cable..
Honestly if i knew a bunch of little girls would attack me here would not have asked anything at all. I start to explain myself here the way i explained myself to girls when i was 14.
Its a DIY forum, right, and i could ask DIY questions, or what?
Pro voltage levels are higher. The IEC spec for consumer gear is 20K or more. So when you get 100K and 10mV a bit of dirt does show up. Are you old enough to remember the first round of made in Taiwan 1/4 plugs with the shiny chrome like finish that would turn white with age and stop working? Clean it and it would work again for a bit. Maybe the classic tap the microphone to get it working?
Perhaps a "Untwist your panties yourself" forum would be better for you?
Please continue with the mansplaining. We 14 year old girls love that from older men. 😀
Please continue with the mansplaining. We 14 year old girls love that from older men. 😀
The big problem with questions and answers on a DIY forum is that the OP only controls the questions, although some seem to wish to control the answers too.
Maybe we should have a forum area where people could talk to themselves, and answer their own questions? A thread there would only have posts from the OP. Then they would only hear what they want to hear.
Maybe we should have a forum area where people could talk to themselves, and answer their own questions? A thread there would only have posts from the OP. Then they would only hear what they want to hear.
This post is most excellent, before it sinks into name calling and chest beating.
A reasonable, well stated question. A practical one, too!
If only you had started out this way, you would have gotten some real help. You stated the problem and your practical and aesthetic goals. Alas, you did not. Just a bit of due diligence and reading of this website would have shown you that concise, practical questions like the one above, get useful answers. It's not that difficult.
Weird woo-woo question and cable threads are never met kindly. As you have now learned.
In this case, there is actually general agreement that Alkaline and Zinc batteries sound different used in the fuzz stomp box, and most people can hear the difference. I guess this musician blindly believes that Alkaline and Zinc always make difference in any type of stomp boxes, which is probably not true (unconfirmed).
Regarding cables and connectors, Mikal at Mytek Digital once told me that he noticed an improvement in SQ when AES/EBU 110 ohm cable is used as a microphone cable. He explained me that it is probably due to precisely controlled impedance of the cable. I have yet to confirm this, but I trust his ears. Also, it is well known that less than 1 feet Mogami bantam studio patch cables sound horrible, but it is most likely due to their plastic molded jack. So, I believe cables and connectors can make some considerable differences, and it is not completely unreasonable in some cases.
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This post is most excellent, before it sinks into name calling and chest beating.
A reasonable, well stated question. A practical one, too!
If only you had started out this way, you would have gotten some real help. You stated the problem and your practical and aesthetic goals. Alas, you did not. Just a bit of due diligence and reading of this website would have shown you that concise, practical questions like the one above, get useful answers. It's not that difficult.
Weird woo-woo question and cable threads are never met kindly. As you have now learned.
Well, i am having fun at least 🙂, i don't take all that we said as an offence, hope nobody does takes offence from what i said,
Every day we learn something
Saturday night, wife is on a buisness trip, kids asleep, just opened my second beer, what entertainment should i pick? Just watched hillary and trumpy battle on the news, fun, but enough TV. Woun't turn on the stereo, cause it sounds soo bad these days, just moved so it is just a makeshift "toss together" (and discovered a bendt needle on my newly acuired beautiful Braun PS500 turntable, huge let down). what to do... Logged in to diyaudio and what do i find on top? a cable thread!! entertainment found.
In the 15 years i have been a member, i have never seen these threads end well. Same story; someone asks for advice or opinion, 1 or 2 friendly replyes, then the cable scepics come scrambeling and things turns ugly!
Love this comparison, my experience also, both regarding dogs (had a dachs hound) and regarding audiophiles. But calling SY, DF96, pano, Andrew et al. 14 year old girls was a bit mean, should have stoped after calling them dysfunctional dogs 🙂 As long as we are not discussing cables these guyes are great, and very helpful people (especally Andrew, I have always thougt he should have a medal for all the pantient help he has given all the noobs on this forum, also probably saved lives with his enduring nagging on mains safety).
I am also a dysfunctional dog! I can not hear the difference between cables or rca plugs, have tried, but no... But i know there is one. I have a few audiophile friend that defenatly can hear the difference (no OCD involved, have a decade experience in exposing those). The rest of my audiophile friends are bad dogs like me (a few pretend to be dachs hounds, but i know they aren't).
Boyan; friendly advice, stick with your better judjement, don't discuss cables, just wait to see if some actually answers your questions. Wich finaly brings me to:
1: have some cardas silver rca's, they do tarnish slightly but not into black, like grandma's old silver candlesticks. I DO have have a science degree, but not into metallurgy, which would be more helpfully. Pure silver tarnish bad in time, cardas does not (so bad), hence; not pure silver. Thats my opinion. Is this "not pure silver" better than copper/gold plated/rhodium plated? If you have good ears, buy some and experiment. You won't get really good anwers on diyaudio.
2: That sounds like a fun diy experiment, especally the turning your own plugs part. Wish i had a small metal lathe, would try the same. These silver plating kits is not in the domain of mettalurgy, but more chemestry, and (DF97) i do have a degree in that. I think you will have a hard time getting a thick uniform, well bonded coating using these. I would not assume getting equal results as proffessionaly made silver plated plugs. But again, if not costly, why not try it.
Now 4 beers later (I struggle writing in english, should have posted more on diyaudio), i have taken out my definity technology sympfony 1 WIRELESS headphones, using my phone as source, I enjoy great music, totaly unaffiliated with this silly cable argument, bluthooth is good!
In the 15 years i have been a member, i have never seen these threads end well. Same story; someone asks for advice or opinion, 1 or 2 friendly replyes, then the cable scepics come scrambeling and things turns ugly!
Love this comparison, my experience also, both regarding dogs (had a dachs hound) and regarding audiophiles. But calling SY, DF96, pano, Andrew et al. 14 year old girls was a bit mean, should have stoped after calling them dysfunctional dogs 🙂 As long as we are not discussing cables these guyes are great, and very helpful people (especally Andrew, I have always thougt he should have a medal for all the pantient help he has given all the noobs on this forum, also probably saved lives with his enduring nagging on mains safety).
I am also a dysfunctional dog! I can not hear the difference between cables or rca plugs, have tried, but no... But i know there is one. I have a few audiophile friend that defenatly can hear the difference (no OCD involved, have a decade experience in exposing those). The rest of my audiophile friends are bad dogs like me (a few pretend to be dachs hounds, but i know they aren't).
Boyan; friendly advice, stick with your better judjement, don't discuss cables, just wait to see if some actually answers your questions. Wich finaly brings me to:
1: have some cardas silver rca's, they do tarnish slightly but not into black, like grandma's old silver candlesticks. I DO have have a science degree, but not into metallurgy, which would be more helpfully. Pure silver tarnish bad in time, cardas does not (so bad), hence; not pure silver. Thats my opinion. Is this "not pure silver" better than copper/gold plated/rhodium plated? If you have good ears, buy some and experiment. You won't get really good anwers on diyaudio.
2: That sounds like a fun diy experiment, especally the turning your own plugs part. Wish i had a small metal lathe, would try the same. These silver plating kits is not in the domain of mettalurgy, but more chemestry, and (DF97) i do have a degree in that. I think you will have a hard time getting a thick uniform, well bonded coating using these. I would not assume getting equal results as proffessionaly made silver plated plugs. But again, if not costly, why not try it.
Now 4 beers later (I struggle writing in english, should have posted more on diyaudio), i have taken out my definity technology sympfony 1 WIRELESS headphones, using my phone as source, I enjoy great music, totaly unaffiliated with this silly cable argument, bluthooth is good!
That definitely can't be true, as the cable will not be anything like 110 ohm impedance at audio frequencies. It is possible that a change is heard when a cable specifically designed for a job (microphones, in this case) is swapped for one specifically designed for a different job, but the change is unlikely to be an improvement in performance.plasnu said:
How come that in audiophool world any change is always an increase but never a degradation of SQ?
Assuming that most designers of gear are at least capable I would expect the majority of actually audible tweaks lead to the latter but never hears of such cases.
Assuming that most designers of gear are at least capable I would expect the majority of actually audible tweaks lead to the latter but never hears of such cases.
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