Here is a good article on shielding in audio cables: Hum Rejection in Unbalanced Audio Cables -- Blue Jeans Cable
Yes. Among other things it says:Here is a good article on shielding in audio cables: Hum Rejection in Unbalanced Audio Cables -- Blue Jeans Cable
Maybe I should make this my 'signature line'? Few people seem to believe it.For this reason, coaxial cable, with its all-encompassing shield, is the best cable design for unbalanced audio circuits.
The Blue Jeans article also states
So where is the advantage of twisted over woven (as Kimber cable). if a balanced circuit is not in use?
I can see that a proper coaxial with decent shielding of the central conductor has advantages, but I am still looking to find any evidence that a twisted pair is better than a woven cable in an unbalanced circuit.
Also I am still looking for any evidence that supports the claimed superior RF performance of woven cables.
There is a common misconception that twisting the two conductors of an interconnect cable together can somehow contribute to noise rejection, and even that it can perform as good a job of noise rejection as a good shield can. But the phenomenon by which twisted-pair wires reject noise--called common-mode noise rejection--works only in balanced audio circuits, not in the unbalanced circuits that are nearly universal in consumer audio gear.
So where is the advantage of twisted over woven (as Kimber cable). if a balanced circuit is not in use?
I can see that a proper coaxial with decent shielding of the central conductor has advantages, but I am still looking to find any evidence that a twisted pair is better than a woven cable in an unbalanced circuit.
Also I am still looking for any evidence that supports the claimed superior RF performance of woven cables.
I would suggest the total lack of woven cables outside of audio is a big clue to their effectiveness... Yet tons of shielded and co-ax cables (and twisted for balanced/LVDS).
Then Russ Andrews got in trouble with the ASA for their claims in 2011.
A look at all the EMC recommendations form Henry Ott, Ralph Morrison, Keith Armstrong, Kurt Denke above, etc.
Then Russ Andrews got in trouble with the ASA for their claims in 2011.
A look at all the EMC recommendations form Henry Ott, Ralph Morrison, Keith Armstrong, Kurt Denke above, etc.
So where is the advantage of twisted over woven (as Kimber cable). if a balanced circuit is not in use?
Twisting means the inductive coupling is reversed at each turn and largely cancels. If you look at the usual three wire braid it's like a plait, the wires don't rotate around each other and so there isn't the same cancellation
For $8 a foot you can get teflon insulated, solid silver, shielded, twisted pair cable at Parts Connexion, at that price why settle for less - especially if your going to invest your time in making cables.
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For $8 a foot you can get teflon insulated, solid silver, shielded, twisted pair cable at Parts Connexion, at that price why settle for less - especially if your going to invest your time in making cables.
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Well the fact that Van damme at 1/4 of the price does the job why pay more?
With reference to #103 above...
For this reason, coaxial cable, with its all-encompassing shield, is the best cable design for unbalanced audio circuits.
Well the fact that Van damme at 1/4 of the price does the job why pay more?
Not silver, tut tut Bill, wont anyone think of the sparkle...
I've never bought cable cased on capacitance or inductance.
I have bought cable based on conductor material, insulation type, and shielding. The Connex ( made by DH Labs) is a very good cable, I like better than copper ( solid or stranded) and higher dielectric absorption insulation materials to to save a dollar or two a foot? I've used other DIY and premade cables over the years Kimber, Cardas, Neglex, Audio Quest, Randall Research, etc, and the Connex stands out as a bargain for it's construction and materials.
If someone said they preferred a cable type or construction because it was what they liked in their system then thats what works for them. I'm just pointing out the Connex cable as worth consideration for diy cables, I've bought several hundred feet of it for cables and internal wiring over the years.
I have bought cable based on conductor material, insulation type, and shielding. The Connex ( made by DH Labs) is a very good cable, I like better than copper ( solid or stranded) and higher dielectric absorption insulation materials to to save a dollar or two a foot? I've used other DIY and premade cables over the years Kimber, Cardas, Neglex, Audio Quest, Randall Research, etc, and the Connex stands out as a bargain for it's construction and materials.
If someone said they preferred a cable type or construction because it was what they liked in their system then thats what works for them. I'm just pointing out the Connex cable as worth consideration for diy cables, I've bought several hundred feet of it for cables and internal wiring over the years.
Shield Current Induced Noise is a problem in longer balanced interconnect cables. More so in pro audio situations in harsh electrical environments. Because good balanced cables need very symmetrical construction. It takes big, expensive machines and a good quality control dept. that only the major bulk cable manufactures have to make these cables.For $8 a foot you can get teflon insulated, solid silver, shielded, twisted pair cable at Parts Connexion, at that price why settle for less - especially if your going to invest your time in making cables.
Excellent well-made cable is available for about $1.50 a foot.
"Shield-Current-Induced Noise - Part 1"
Audio Systems Group, Inc. Publications
It's common mode noise.How does it cancel without a balanced receiver circuit?
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While an unbalanced input is nowhere as good as a balanced input with respect to common mode noise, it still sorta works.
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If it's an unbalanced circuit it needs a coax cable, End of story.The Blue Jeans article also states...................
So where is the advantage of twisted over woven (as Kimber cable). if a balanced circuit is not in use?
I can see that a proper coaxial with decent shielding of the central conductor has advantages, but I am still looking to find any evidence that a twisted pair is better than a woven cable in an unbalanced circuit.
Well it's better that straight zip-cord, but not as good as twisted.Also I am still looking for any evidence that supports the claimed superior RF performance of woven cables.
Performance wise, braided is closer to twisted than to straight zip-cord.
If it's an unbalanced circuit it needs a coax cable, End of story.
I will look into building some co-ax cables for my system.
Looks like substituting twisted pair cables for my current woven cable would be a waste of my time. My power amplifier has a balanced input but that's the only one in my HI-Fi system.
Connecting into a balanced receiver from an unbalanced source is a whole other story...
Thus, at audio frequencies,
a cable less than 2,000 ft long is no more complicated than its series resistance and parallel capacitance. As the cable becomes longer, or as frequency increases, the cable will begin to behave as a transmission line.
from a document from the link in #115 above...
Another interesting link...
Dielectric Absorption in Cables Debunked | Audioholics
and another:
Characteristic Impedance of Cables at High and Low Frequencies
boring science but interesting and worth a read if you want to have some understanding of cable, just dry and not much woo.
Not silver, tut tut Bill, wont anyone think of the sparkle...
Yeah only silver plated. Will be so dull. 😛
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