I have been intrigued by the formulas for DIY Vinyl cleaner. That is until I called my local chemical supplier. I was given the following pricing:
1 Gallon triple dionized distilled water $48 - $86
500ml Triton X114 wetting agent $59.95 (probably a 20 year supply)
1 quart Isopropol Alchohol Tech grade $17.95 (1 pint $9.95)
Are these prices typical? Are there substitutes?
This same supplier has dionized reverse osmosis distilled water for $12.95 per gallon. Is that good enough? I can afford the Isopropol, but can Ivory dishwashing soap be subtituted for the Triton X114?
Suddenly the premixed solutions don't look so expensive.
I'm in Phoenix Arizona if you know a better local supplier.
Thanks.
1 Gallon triple dionized distilled water $48 - $86
500ml Triton X114 wetting agent $59.95 (probably a 20 year supply)
1 quart Isopropol Alchohol Tech grade $17.95 (1 pint $9.95)
Are these prices typical? Are there substitutes?
This same supplier has dionized reverse osmosis distilled water for $12.95 per gallon. Is that good enough? I can afford the Isopropol, but can Ivory dishwashing soap be subtituted for the Triton X114?
Suddenly the premixed solutions don't look so expensive.
I'm in Phoenix Arizona if you know a better local supplier.
Thanks.
Alcohol seems to work as a wetting agent, breaking the surface tension. I use a mix of alcohol and water, with a little detergent.
Metric Apology
Yeah I know if I were a true scientist I wouldn't know what a gallon was so here is an approximate translation so I do not politcally offend anyone:javascript:smilie('🙂')
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4 liters (or litres) triple de-ionized distilled water $48 - $86
500ml Triton X114 wetting agent $59.95 (probably a 20 year supply)
1 liter (litre) Isopropol Alchohol Tech grade $17.95 (500ml $9.95)
I did check the distilled water we use for the steam iron and it is steam distilled, but not de-ionized let alone triple dionized. My wife the bio-chemist claims that de-ionizing will reduce static electricity transferred to the vinyl.
Is de-ionized distilled water critical or will regular steam distilled water work?
Yeah I know if I were a true scientist I wouldn't know what a gallon was so here is an approximate translation so I do not politcally offend anyone:javascript:smilie('🙂')
smile
4 liters (or litres) triple de-ionized distilled water $48 - $86
500ml Triton X114 wetting agent $59.95 (probably a 20 year supply)
1 liter (litre) Isopropol Alchohol Tech grade $17.95 (500ml $9.95)
I did check the distilled water we use for the steam iron and it is steam distilled, but not de-ionized let alone triple dionized. My wife the bio-chemist claims that de-ionizing will reduce static electricity transferred to the vinyl.
Is de-ionized distilled water critical or will regular steam distilled water work?
5 Gallons De-Ionized water: $15.00 (approx 19 l)
1 Pint Tergitol 15-S-3: $20.50 (approx .5 l)
1 Pint Tergitol 15-S-9: $20.50 (approx .5 l)
Mix .05 l of each of the Tergitols with the water to make the same fluid that the Canadian Library uses (also safe on acetates). Use the leftover Tergitol to make about 181 more Litres of solution.
BTW, you may want to buy more of this water to use as a rinse. I see that the shop does sell it in 55 gallon drums.
Shops:
http://apps.webcreate.com/ecom/catalog/product_specific.cfm?ClientID=15&ProductID=17376
http://www.essentialwholesale.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=961
Cody
PS - you might want to try to obtain samples of Tergitol from a supplier for free 😉
1 Pint Tergitol 15-S-3: $20.50 (approx .5 l)
1 Pint Tergitol 15-S-9: $20.50 (approx .5 l)
Mix .05 l of each of the Tergitols with the water to make the same fluid that the Canadian Library uses (also safe on acetates). Use the leftover Tergitol to make about 181 more Litres of solution.
BTW, you may want to buy more of this water to use as a rinse. I see that the shop does sell it in 55 gallon drums.
Shops:
http://apps.webcreate.com/ecom/catalog/product_specific.cfm?ClientID=15&ProductID=17376
http://www.essentialwholesale.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=961
Cody
PS - you might want to try to obtain samples of Tergitol from a supplier for free 😉
Cody,
Thanks for the info and the links. So the isopropol alchohol is not required?
Shipping on the 5 gallon de-ionized water is $26 so I'll see if I can find it locally. We have a lot of silicon fab plants here so I'm hoping that will make it more likely there is a producer in town.
Regards,
Lindsay
Thanks for the info and the links. So the isopropol alchohol is not required?
Shipping on the 5 gallon de-ionized water is $26 so I'll see if I can find it locally. We have a lot of silicon fab plants here so I'm hoping that will make it more likely there is a producer in town.
Regards,
Lindsay
I have had good results with 3 parts distilled H20 1 part 91% iso alcohol and a few drops of 7th Generation brand "free and clear" Natural dish soap on used records. I follow each washing with a carbon fiber brush before play. Finally,each record gets a new anti-static record sleeve.
Re: Metric Apology
Seriously, no offence.
BTW, my country went through the conversion in recent decades so many people here know both.
Don't forget US gallons are different to gallons in other parts of the worldLHMAudio said:
Seriously, no offence.
BTW, my country went through the conversion in recent decades so many people here know both.
All this sounds really out there.
Go to the grocery store and buy "distilled" water for $1/gallon. It's all made by RO these days.
Use some Dawn dishwashing soap and mildy warm tap water... then rinse-rinse-rinse with tap water. Then one final rinse/dip with the RO water and let air dry.
Simple wetting agents ($59 or otherwise) will not dissolve the kind of spooge that winds up on vinyl.
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Go to the grocery store and buy "distilled" water for $1/gallon. It's all made by RO these days.
Use some Dawn dishwashing soap and mildy warm tap water... then rinse-rinse-rinse with tap water. Then one final rinse/dip with the RO water and let air dry.
Simple wetting agents ($59 or otherwise) will not dissolve the kind of spooge that winds up on vinyl.
😉
My recipe...
all metric I'm afraid:
750mLs RO .45um filtered water (the filtered bit is as important as the RO bit)
250mLs high grade propan-2-ol (aka isopropanol, isopropyl alcohol)
to this add 15mLs of rinse aid as a wetting agent.
Some notes. The alcohol is not a wetting agent. If you leave out the rinse aid the solution won't wet the LP. Tap water can contain an awful lot of crud. If you're really stuck use the filtered feed from your fridge. To try and clear some of the jargon, all you really want is the highest purity water you can get within reason - theres no point in being silly about it either though. As an aside, water purity is often expressed as resistance (the purer the water, the higher the resistance. DI water is usually about 11Mohms, with the best systems giving you 18Mohms). If you know anyone who works in a lab or college, it is very likely they have access to high grade water. If you want to do a quick check on the state of your water, put a drop of it on a clean piece of glass and let it air dry. Rain water will leave a hefty deposit, with the RO water leaving the least.
Regular detergents contain all sorts of unwanted materials - I'd be cautious about using them. Rinse aid is an excellent wetting agent, doesn't foam very much and is cheap/easily available.
Lastly, as per the other thread "fungus among us", a vacuum system will give better results than a non vacuum system (IMHO). Its quite easy to make a DIY cleaner for minimal outlay.
Fran
all metric I'm afraid:
750mLs RO .45um filtered water (the filtered bit is as important as the RO bit)
250mLs high grade propan-2-ol (aka isopropanol, isopropyl alcohol)
to this add 15mLs of rinse aid as a wetting agent.
Some notes. The alcohol is not a wetting agent. If you leave out the rinse aid the solution won't wet the LP. Tap water can contain an awful lot of crud. If you're really stuck use the filtered feed from your fridge. To try and clear some of the jargon, all you really want is the highest purity water you can get within reason - theres no point in being silly about it either though. As an aside, water purity is often expressed as resistance (the purer the water, the higher the resistance. DI water is usually about 11Mohms, with the best systems giving you 18Mohms). If you know anyone who works in a lab or college, it is very likely they have access to high grade water. If you want to do a quick check on the state of your water, put a drop of it on a clean piece of glass and let it air dry. Rain water will leave a hefty deposit, with the RO water leaving the least.
Regular detergents contain all sorts of unwanted materials - I'd be cautious about using them. Rinse aid is an excellent wetting agent, doesn't foam very much and is cheap/easily available.
Lastly, as per the other thread "fungus among us", a vacuum system will give better results than a non vacuum system (IMHO). Its quite easy to make a DIY cleaner for minimal outlay.
Fran
LHMAudio said:
The formula is from the Library and Archives Canada:
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/6/28/s28-1019-e.html
There are some who say that the alcohol will leach plasticizers from the vinyl. And there are some who say that the contact is so short-lived, that the leaching that occurs (if any) is minimal. I myself use small spray bottles to apply alcohol or enzymes as the situation warrants.
As to buying water locally, there is an extensive article on A'gon about the suitability of various store-bought waters:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1132333988
Cody
PS - I have owned a Nitty Gritty record cleaner for over twenty years and have never regretted the purchase. That said, If I would have had the money, a Monks or Loricraft would have been nice if only for the lower sound levels.
Cody,
Thanks for the A'gon link, it explained everything I ever wanted to know about water and then some. We have a Whole Foods store near us and they apparently have a product, Rain Fresh, that is about as good as it gets for $2.00 per gallon (3.785 liters or 0.833 imperial gallons).
I have a reasonable source for the isopropol alchohol so i just need to find the surfactant at a reasonable price. I think the local chemical supply company or possibly a photo store (not Kodak Photo Flow) may have what I need.
I'm initially going to build one of the DIY record vacuming machines, but will probably end up buying one once I am sure I know what I want.
Lindsay
Thanks for the A'gon link, it explained everything I ever wanted to know about water and then some. We have a Whole Foods store near us and they apparently have a product, Rain Fresh, that is about as good as it gets for $2.00 per gallon (3.785 liters or 0.833 imperial gallons).
I have a reasonable source for the isopropol alchohol so i just need to find the surfactant at a reasonable price. I think the local chemical supply company or possibly a photo store (not Kodak Photo Flow) may have what I need.
I'm initially going to build one of the DIY record vacuming machines, but will probably end up buying one once I am sure I know what I want.
Lindsay
jackinnj said:
No, children are something that happens accidentally, as a result of spooge.
Might need to add another one to the auto-censor.
Max
spooge - /spooj/ Inexplicable or arcane code, or random and probably incorrect output from a computer program.
Let's stick to cleaners, we were wandering a bit.
Let's stick to cleaners, we were wandering a bit.
Is this what they mean when they say this thread has gone OT? And I thought spooge was a surfactant.
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