Digitalized music causing stress??

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mrfeedback said:
"RN : Myself and others can 'sense' when a cdp is turned on.
Interestingly Philips/Marantz cd players are less disturbing than typical Jap ones.
Eric.


Hi Eric,

Just out of interest, my old (now defunct) pioneer PD-5100, used to interfere with my monitor when it was turned on with nothing playing. The monitor was my telly (amiga 1081), and was sitting on top of the cd player. So I guess the player was emitting some form of EMI. I can't remember what the interference looked like, but I know it was bad enough for me to turn off the player.

Tony.
 
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Got here late... been on holiday. Here's my titbit addition...

There exists a subset of people who *need* to believe in the paranormal fringes of any issue. Witness the followers of homeopathy, faith-healing, aromatherapy and the like. Not to mention those who swear by magic speaker cable, electret foils and similar gadgets of dubious scientific integrity.

Without getting into cable debates, placebo-effects or cancer miracles, there exists a further subset of humanity who prey upon these followers of paths less travelled. Opportunists and/or misguided statisticians who can convince otherwise intelligent people of the validity of contrived, confabulated "problems" and thence of their own miracle "solutions".

And with all due respect, Dr Diamond falls squarely into this mould in my opinion. Nothing he claims is rooted in established fact or based on repeatable scientific experiment. I believe he is a charlatan so smooth he could convince his followers that the word "gullible" had been removed from the Oxford English dictionary...
 
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millwood said:

maybe the darwanian thing to do is to leave those cable-believers alone?

Maybe the better thing is to take an open-minded but skeptical view- ask questions, and if it looks, sounds, and is being sold like hooey, it probably is. But ALWAYS be open to someone with actual evidence, no matter how goofy the idea.

The before and after pictures sent with the Magic Extender pills spam emails don't count as "evidence."
 
Chase the clock. Jitter IS the issue. The probelm is temporal/sync in nature. Jitter specturm, or jitter bandwidth. Jitter is part of the reproiduction system so it is certianly part of the muisc. it cannot be seperated in this case or sense. As long as any part of the reproduction chain is digital in nature.... Jitter is definitely an issue.

Anyone that pays attention the recording market will tell you that one of the big growth areas in studio audio has been external clocking units (such as Apogee's Big Ben) in the last couple of years. Many reputable engineers have reported massive improvements with external clocking...

I can only view this scenario as a weakness on behalf of oems failing to implement stable clocking; one experienced engineer I've communicated with has stated that if an external clock offers improvement then that has got to be a serious illustration of how poorly implemented most oems internal clocking is. I agree, and would imagine that external clocking units will gradually fade into obscurity as oems gradually figure out how to increase the accuracy of internal clocking, particularly with regard to jitter free interfacing between multiple units which is where external clocks really score.
 
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Anyone that pays attention the recording market will tell you that one of the big growth areas in studio audio has been external clocking units (such as Apogee's Big Ben) in the last couple of years.

It may be so in other parts of the world that external clocking units are a big growth area in studio audio. All I can say, based on my (very) extensive research, and that of a few consultants we had hired, and an US company that is absolutely a leading player in studio audio that external clocking is NOT a high growth area for studio audio / professional audio.

In terms of market potential, I would say that DSP, remote sound control / dignostics, digital amplification and networking of digital audio devices are the high growth area. The latter is especially interesting: it is basically trasmission of audio, in digital format, across a multi-format multi-media network. Each node on the network can be a speaker (with digital interface), or mixing console, or microphone, or a transmission point to / from other networks.

for those golden ears or people who are into $10K/ft cables, you should really look inside a studio electronic box and see what your "precious" signal has gone through before hitting your exotic cable, or Egyptian maple boxes. It is not an exaggeration to say that a 5532 or a 1% metal film resistor is high-end to even the high-end studio equipment in production today. a BG cap would be a Bentley to Ford Escort, :)
 
I can tell how a speaker is going to sound by simpy blowing a gentle stream of air across the front baffle. My ears are so sensitive to phase distortion that I can tell the order of a crossover network of a pair of non-connected speakers sitting in their shipping containers simply by the spectrum of resonance decay of the speakers which were excited by ground vibrations as I pull up to a house in my car. When someone turns on a microwave next door, I can tell you if your speakers are coincident source or not, even if they are not playing at that moment. Thumping the manual sent with a pair of speakers will reveal to me their maximum SPL output, and thumping the connected speaker wire will reveal the spectal contamination at those levels.

I can hear resistors that are wired backwards. I can easily tell whether a voice coil was wound clockwise or counter-clockwise. I can hear the difference in total laser return path lengths in various CD players. I can hear the difference between records that use different glues for the labels. I can tell what color the jewel case for a CD is... usually just from the sound of thd CD player and without the need to connect it to the rest of the system. And I can tell when someone at the power station takes a **** just by sticking my tongue in a light socket.

Oh, and I designed the worlds most accurate recording microphone. It is so faithful that even crappy speakers sound like the real thing during playback. It would be worth millions on the market, but for now I'm only using it to test my own gear. I would let others hear it, but then my talent would be "out of the bag" and I would never get the really important things done... like finishing the design of my perpetual motion machine.
 
Hate to go off topic, but I -just- realized we have a skill here that industry might be able to make some use of, and you guys seem like a likely bunch to come up with a use for it: We can grind any ferromagnetic particles to a size that is quite likely at better than the best available at this time. I wonder of anyone has a use for such a skill?

Oh yeah, that probably goes for any powdered substance that is relatively safe to grind.

The factory's custom grinding methods grind all incoming pigments to a quality that averages twice that of any in the in the pigment industry. We can get more out of the system but can't be bothered. It's not a priority......Challenge us. :) I haven't looked at that machine yet. I think it can be improved signifigantly.
 
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Pedja said:
Did you know about this?
http://www.anstendig.org/

Take note on the three articles under Sound reproduction > The missing information in all cd recordings.

Pedja

Pedja,

I started to read it, until I noted that they don't understand sampling theory. They do not understand that even with two samples at 20kHz, AND the reconstruction filter after the DAC, which is an integral part of the system, you can perfectly capture and reproduce this 20kHz signal. It is amazing to see how many people are willing to criticise and comment on things they have no clue about.

Also, they start critisizing CD, then the whole reproduction system, then use that to say CD is not good enough. In other words: ignorance, misleading and logically flawed reasoning.

LOL, indeed.

Jan Didden
 
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KBK said:
We can grind any ferromagnetic particles to a size that is quite likely at better than the best available at this time. I wonder of anyone has a use for such a skill?

Oh yeah, that probably goes for any powdered substance that is relatively safe to grind.


What sort of size are you talking about? And I assume that you're using something more sophisticated than a three-roll mill? I know that finely divided iron is VERY reactive to oxygen- can the process be done with the exclusion of air?

mrfeedback said:


LOL.......perhaps I should share some with Steve Eddy......

Eric.


Anything that will mellow you guys out, I'm in favor of.
 
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janneman said:


Pedja,

I started to read it, until I noted that they don't understand sampling theory. They do not understand that even with two samples at 20kHz, AND the reconstruction filter after the DAC, which is an integral part of the system, you can perfectly capture and reproduce this 20kHz signal. It is amazing to see how many people are willing to criticise and comment on things they have no clue about.

Also, they start critisizing CD, then the whole reproduction system, then use that to say CD is not good enough. In other words: ignorance, misleading and logically flawed reasoning.

LOL, indeed.

Jan Didden

I gave up when I realised that most of the articles were written in the mid 80's. As far as I am aware (and I may be wrong) DAC's and ADC's have come a long way since then.

Tony.
 
Hello Jan,

At 20kHz, with not at all naive fuss, all it can do is reproduce bare sine wave. What this fuss means one can realize when takes into account that not a lot of people who had a chance to hear it without all that fuss (non filtered) still prefer the fuss. This way we stay with squares, staircases, amplitude modulation and even some form of frequency modulation, supposedly introduced a few kinds of intermodulation distortion and what not, and it still (mainly) sounds better… interesting story about the format?

Those articles could be written technically more competent though, especially after all these years.

Pedja
 
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