Now the question (like always) is to find the reasonable balance between the means and the expected benefits. ;-)Its that you don't seem to be as picky about sound quality as I am. Jitter is only one of the things that detracts from sound quality though. No point in going all out on only one parameter and not any of the others.
Markw4, I may shock you, but, regarding the jitter, my little Chromecast already seems enough to me.
The aim of this project is to remove all influence from ground loops which are, from my point of view, a major cause of deteriorations. Hence the choice of optical links.
After which, it is easy to have analog star grounds everywhere.
Perhaps it would be interesting to build a common project on a system of this kind, by joining our skills ?
Mines, in the digital domain, are near 0. May-be better in analog, or worse, If I believe in SYN08 ;-)
Last edited:
You must've had real messed up DACs to get audible jitter. Even built-in DACs in cheap Blu-ray / DVD / CD players don't have audible jitter nowadays.Its that you don't seem to be as picky about sound quality as I am. Jitter is only one of the things that detracts from sound quality though.
The aim of this project is to remove all influence from ground loops which are, from my point of view, a major cause of deteriorations.
Yes, of course. But, then you will be able to hear the jitter much better!
There is a movement in manufacturing (and other fields) called 'Lean' which is a rename of TPS (Toyota Production System). They use a phrase, 'lower to water to uncover the rocks.' When new rocks are uncovered they must be removed until the water surface is unbroken again.
It is like that with dacs and audio systems in general, IMHO. Fix the major problem and the next layer of problems is exposed more clearly.
Last edited:
Please, when you have spent as much time as Markw4 studying DACs, and listening to the effects of each of their faults, you can come and tell us about your experience in this area. I will then read your views with the same respect as the one I give him.You must've had real messed up DACs to get audible jitter. Even built-in DACs in cheap Blu-ray / DVD / CD players don't have audible jitter nowadays.
Maybe when you have a system as efficient as his (which I don't know), mine, or the one of RNM (M2), you will find out what they are talking about.
If you are happy with your cheap CD player, I am delighted for you.
(Are Sears salaries interesting?)
I hate you.Fix the major problem and the next layer of problems is exposed more clearly.
Last edited:
When did you remove me from your ignore list again? Or was this image photoshopped?
I've done plenty of subjective auditioning and noticed audible differences, just like Markw4 did. Since he won't answer me, maybe you can ask him if he has ever done level matched double blind listening of DACs he claimed to have heard differences from.Please, when you have spent as much time as Markw4 studying DACs, and listening to the effects of each of their faults,
Maybe I already have a system as efficient as or better than Markw4, RNM in a room with better acoustics. Maybe you haven't read what Markw4 listed as his stereo system or when he stated "I don't claim my system is ideal".you can come and tell us about your experience in this area. I will then read your views with the same respect as the one I give him.
Maybe when you have a system as efficient as his (which I don't know), mine, or the one of RNM (M2), you will find out what they are talking about.
If you are happy with your cheap CD player, I am delighted for you.
(Are Sears salaries interesting?)
Once and for all, i do what i want with my ignore list.When did you remove me from your ignore list again?
You are certainly free to do so. Based on your pattern, when you claim that someone is on your ignore list, it doesn't mean anything. Thanks for confirming.i do what i want with my ignore list.

As this thread was started by me, i was hoping a miracle: Something interesting under your pen. But nothing, as usual, apart your endless:You are certainly free to do so. Based on your pattern, when you claim that someone is on your ignore list, it doesn't mean anything. Thanks for confirming.![]()
That has nothing to do with the topic, apart bringing noise and waste of bandwidth....level matched double blind listening
Last edited:
T.,
Mr. DBT just tries to get people into debates with him so he can have fun with his trolling techniques like his Sea-Lioning: Sea-Lioning - Google Search
Best to just ignore him.
Mr. DBT just tries to get people into debates with him so he can have fun with his trolling techniques like his Sea-Lioning: Sea-Lioning - Google Search
Best to just ignore him.
Last edited:
Who brought up "Please, when you have spent as much time as Markw4 studying DACs, and listening to the effects of each of their faults,"?That has nothing to do with the topic, apart bringing noise and waste of bandwidth.
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/the...wtorch-preamplifier-iii-3223.html#post6012535 Then 9 days later: https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/the...al-step-audiophile-nirvana-7.html#post6022185Best to just ignore him.
But you won't practice what you preach. 🙄
Its that you don't seem to be as picky about sound quality as I am. Jitter is only one of the things that detracts from sound quality though. No point in going all out on only one parameter and not any of the others.
No, I’m just not deluding myself.
Tournesol asked for a solution to a problem. It’s been provided and we don’t need you introducing all kinds of confusion and complexity just to satisfy your personal jitter fetish.
SPDIF and an ASRC will get you maximum performance. I suggest you do some research on the needs of data converters in the real world and also consider what happens to your pristine single-ended clock when it enters the converter.
Its that you don't seem to be as picky about sound quality as I am. Jitter is only one of the things that detracts from sound quality though. No point in going all out on only one parameter and not any of the others.
On reconsidering my reply, I will note that you didn't claim that SPDIF with the ASRC was not good enough.
That said, we are talking about a system currently using the analog outputs of the Behringer DCX2496. He just wanted to get isolation in a practical way. Probably not to go down some rabbit hole chasing numbers.
Don't worry, my plan is to tryto do-it as simple as possible DCX side.SPDIF and an ASRC will get you maximum performance. I suggest you do some research on the needs of data converters in the real world and also consider what happens to your pristine single-ended clock when it enters the converter.
From there, two solutions. Or I'm satisfied like this, or I will see how to improve DAC side.
On reconsidering my reply, I will note that you didn't claim that SPDIF with the ASRC was not good enough.
No, I didn't. That can be pretty darn good.
That said, we are talking about a system currently using the analog outputs of the Behringer DCX2496. He just wanted to get isolation in a practical way. Probably not to go down some rabbit hole chasing numbers.
T. used to design audio amps professionally and record professionally, he knows now to listen. Like most people retiring from those fields he is not wealthy, but he does like good sound.
My aim was to inform him of my views and experiences that might relevant to his ultimate desires. If he finds my responses excessive he has only to say so himself, or at least indicate if you are authorized to speak for him. Otherwise, your opinions and inability to listen may simply speak to your limited experiences so far in life. IIUC, one of these days you may be looking for a real job after you finish school. Can't hang around a school lab forever. When that happens, you will likely change more like DPH has rather than end up like some of the other old guys who are always complaining about everyone else.
After a lifetime listening to directions from mr Goodsound, producer: "The sound of the guitar is ok, but could you make it bigger, but small anyway", I think I learned to listen between words.Like most people retiring from those fields he is not wealthy, but he does like good sound.
I am also surprised that people want to avoid me mistakes at all costs, like bothering me to buy cable lifters or magic cables, we often learn more from them, especially when we are not wealthy ;-)
I don't know if I know how to listen, but, for sure, I know what i want to listen and how i want things to sound like;-)
I found on the Internet files highlighting the sound of different types of Jitter (deliberately exaggerated), I would recognize them if they bother me.
In studios, we choose your material for the way they sound, qualities and faults as much appreciated, I had not asked myself the question of jitter sound in isolation, although having always taken care to properly blister my installations with good master clocks and the right lengths of cables distributing them.
While i think I understand where you are going, which earns you so many critics on this forum, i take you opinion both with interest and a piece of salt/dollar.
- Home
- Source & Line
- Digital Line Level
- Digital mix question